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Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

The Prof said:
untrue



U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions - USATODAY.com

it's demographics

61.6T, growing by 5.3 per---there's not enough revenue conceivable

drops in oceans

if something isn't done NOW to fundamentally restructure our entitlement budgets, then our big 3 federal programs (and state and federal pensions too) will collapse

if you love medicare, if you don't want lbj's baby to die...

leadership, anyone?
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Yes, we definitely need leadership to upgrade our health care system like the rest of the industrialized nations have done, and cut the military spending and wars and tax cuts for the rich that depleted our SS trust funds.

I am so glad to have a party in control that is working on those very problems, even if the GOP is trying to block that leadership at every opportunity. Good point Prof! :sun
 
 
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The Prof said:
Obama sends 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan - World - CBC News
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I agree with you, the war should be ended quicker than Obama is proposing. Unfortunately, none of the GOP presidential candidates are calling for an earlier withdrawal, and the choice we had in 2008, thinks Obama's timetable for withdrawal is too soon.

So it looks like we made the right choice in '08! :sun

Obama's unauthorized war on Libya costs $9,421,000 a day: Are you getting your money's worth? - latimes.com
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Again, I agree, unfortunately, the GOP has never had the balls to agree with us and vote to cut the spending on it! :sun


Obama Calls Tax-Cuts Deal the 'Right Thing to Do'; Many Democrats Disagree
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The majority of Democrats voted against the tax cuts and the majority of Republicans voted for the tax cuts. Sorry Prof, looks like your party let you down again? :sun


At Obama's side, Clinton backs tax deal - politics - White House - msnbc.com

lockbox, anyone?
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Al Gore's proposal. We chose the beer drinker instead, remember? Kind of a moot point now though since Bush mostly depleted the SS trust funds in his 8 years for wars and tax cuts for the rich. :sun


Obama Seeks Social Security Cut In Debt Talks - Project Economy News Story - KCRA Sacramento
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From your article:

"President Barack Obama is seeking $3 to $4 trillion in deficit cuts over the next decade, a move that would require putting Social Security, Medicare, defense spending and tax reform on the table as part of a balanced approach to cuts, Democratic officials familiar with the negotiations told CNN."

Bravo, its about time we had leadership for some real deficit reduction!!! :sun
 
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70% don't want Obamacare. We're citing polls now???
 
Misterveritis said:
I think you would need two tests. One for liberals and one for the real Americans...
It is not just a matter of politics. One requires an understanding of history, a bit of science and some problem solving abilities.

It would be interesting to see what you come up with.
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You know when you divide groups into liberals and "real Americans" it really makes you lose at a lot of credibility and is kind of disturbing overall. This us vs them mentality has proven very dangerous throughout history.
 
ThinktownUSA said:
70% don't want Obamacare. We're citing polls now???
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74% show support for a balanced budget amendment
66% support a proposal like the "Cut, Cap, and Balance" plan....
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
Perhaps, but according to a 2003 Pew poll 72% of people favored universal healthcare.
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Its hard for me to understand why some think if you take the most expensive health care system on the planet and add higher administrative cost and profit, that it is going to solve our health care crisis. We are simply transferring the problem to the private market which is so much more concerned with our seniors health and well being then they are the bottom line?

Upgrading to some form of Universal health care is the only real solution IMO. It would also put us on a more level playing field with the other countries where employers are not burdened with providing health care coverage for their employees.
 
Catawba said:
we made the right choice in '08!
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Woodward's Obama's Wars - NYTimes.com

The majority of Democrats voted against the tax cuts and the majority of Republicans voted for the tax cuts
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44 senate democrats voted FOR extending the bush/obama/clinton/boehner/mconnell tax cuts, only 14 voted against

Senate passes package extending Bush tax cuts - politics - Capitol Hill - msnbc.com

in the house it was 165 to 112

Congress votes to extend Bush-era tax cuts until 2012

Al Gore's proposal
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LOL!

Bravo, its about time we had leadership for some real deficit reduction!!!
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may 25: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/163347-senate-votes-unanimously-against-obama-budget
 
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U.S. Socialist. said:
Perhaps, but according to a 2003 Pew poll 72% of people favored universal healthcare.
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There are those who don't really want to look at the numbers. They prefer to take a single line and pretend it says what they want it to say.
 
Taylor said:
74% show support for a balanced budget amendment
66% support a proposal like the "Cut, Cap, and Balance" plan....
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Sadly, the only thing these polls show is that Americans aren't very knowledgeable about government. Anyone who's paying attention knows that a balanced budget amendment would necessitate MASSIVE cuts to Medicare, Social Security, and virtually everything else. But polls also show that a large majority of Americans (including Tea Party members) oppose any significant cuts to Medicare and Social Security. In other words, these are completely inconsistent positions.

It would be revealing if the polls included intensity information. My guess is that most people are pretty weak in their support of a balanced budget ("hmm, sure, that sounds like a good idea") but pretty rabid about deep cuts to Medicare and Social Security ("you'll pry my Medicare out of my cold, dead hands! (literally)).
 
Boo Radley said:
They prefer to take a single line and pretend it says what they want it to say.
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says the 60 second clicker who disparages research and links to sydney, australia, on behalf of school teachers in new york
 
i hope that if we learn nothing else from this debt crisis, we at least accept that outsourcing an employment sector without replacing it is a losing proposition.

a large part of the reason that there isn't enough tax revenue is that a lot of people who used to be working and making a good middle class living are no longer working / earning as much, and therefore are paying less or no taxes. so while outsourcing those jobs has led to goods with a lower retail price, that lower price is an illusion. once lost tax revenue and public financial support for displaced workers are factored in, paying more for consumer electronics starts to look like a much better deal.
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
A new poll by CBS News shows a majority of Americans - Democrat, Independent and Republican - prefer a combination of spending cuts and tax increases as part of a deal to raise the debt ceiling. SO, when is the GOP going to catch up?
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Look, we won't get fooled again. In 1990 the tax hikes were immediate while the tax cuts were down the road, they never materialized. They did the same in 1982. Sorry, either the cuts and the hikes are simultanious or there is no deal.
 
sangha said:
Why yes! If I need more profit to pay my bills, the first thing I do is cut employees who earn a profit for me!! :roll:
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It is true in government. It is also true in business. If your employees were earning a profit your bills would not exceed your revenues. For government, where profit is not even a consideration the situation is far worse. Close down the extra-constitutional departments and begin saving taxpayer dollars every year.
 
AdamT said:
No, that it simply incorrect. If the debt ceiling is not raised the government will not be able to pay all its bills. The only question is who will get stiffed. Will it be private contractors who have performed work for the government? Will it be military personnel? Will it be foreign creditors? Will it be seniors? It's not a question of if, it's a question of who. A vote not to raise the debt limit is a vote not to pay bills that have already been incurred.
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Or will it be all of the non-essential, busy-bodies in the extra-constitutional parts of the federal government?

How much better off would we be without the education department? Lots. And how many agencies could we do away with who hound and harass American Citizens? We could completely eliminate the EPA and the country would be far better off next year than this.

There are many choices. I think we should slash the greedy geezers's social security. There is no good reason why they should get so much more out of the system than they ever paid in. Let them feel the pain. It was their greed that got us into this mess.
 
AdamT said:
A vote not to raise the debt limit is a vote not to pay bills that have already been incurred.
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No. It is a means of the one term Marxist president Obama getting even more money for his re-election slush fund. A portion goes to pay the debt. The rest is to pay for promises made.
 
smukkeste said:
Everybody's been talking about Debt Ceiling but there is a very simple way of avoiding debt - US has so many illegal immigrants, who work here illegally thus not paying taxes and spend AMERICAN money in their countries. They get free health care, but we, citizens, still have to pay for them. If our government offered illegal immigrants greencards and work authorizations (it's at least $1000 per person), we would get a lot of money to the budget and by working legally all these immigrants would have to pay taxes etc.
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If we put people in jail who help illegals, who provide them with housing, or legal services or banking it would take no time before the problem righted itself. The illegals would self deport.
 
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U.S. Socialist. said:
You know when you divide groups into liberals and "real Americans" it really makes you lose at a lot of credibility and is kind of disturbing overall. This us vs them mentality has proven very dangerous throughout history.
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It sounds better than Liberals and Conservatives. I kind of like it.
 
Misterveritis said:
No. It is a means of the one term Marxist president Obama getting even more money for his re-election slush fund. A portion goes to pay the debt. The rest is to pay for promises made.
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The Republicans have made proposals and even passed a House Bill that they sent to the Senate, which Harry Reid and and merry band of liberals gleefully killed. If we default, it's on them. The House should pass one more bill and send it to the Senate before Tuesday then go home. The rest is on them.
 
Helix said:
i hope that if we learn nothing else from this debt crisis, we at least accept that outsourcing an employment sector without replacing it is a losing proposition.

a large part of the reason that there isn't enough tax revenue is that a lot of people who used to be working and making a good middle class living are no longer working / earning as much, and therefore are paying less or no taxes. so while outsourcing those jobs has led to goods with a lower retail price, that lower price is an illusion. once lost tax revenue and public financial support for displaced workers are factored in, paying more for consumer electronics starts to look like a much better deal.
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Dylan Ratigan made a similar point today, that we are arguing about the chronic problem of borrow and spend, and completely ignoring the acute problem of unemployment. He compared it to an overweight guy with a broken leg going to an emergency room and they tell him he needs to lose weight. :sun
 
Prof. Peabody said:
The Republicans have made proposals and even passed a House Bill that they sent to the Senate, which Harry Reid and and merry band of liberals gleefully killed. If we default, it's on them. The House should pass one more bill and send it to the Senate before Tuesday then go home. The rest is on them.
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You must be joking. The House passed a bill that requires a constitutional amendment which they knew from the start could never pass. Republicans have refused to pass the debt limit extension, which has been done over 100 times without preconditions. And further, they have been absolutely unwilling to comporomise. There is absolutely no confusion where the blame will lie if this lunacy continues.
 
AdamT said:
You must be joking. The House passed a bill that requires a constitutional amendment which they knew from the start could never pass. Republicans have refused to pass the debt limit extension, which has been done over 100 times without preconditions. And further, they have been absolutely unwilling to comporomise. There is absolutely no confusion where the blame will lie if this lunacy continues.
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please explain to us what the senate passed. I know it isn't a budget that has not happened in about three years. Did I miss where they passed something regarding the debt ceiling? Ot is your position doing nothing is better than doing something that does not work.
 
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