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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

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    Do you realize how foolish you look with posts like this? What does a March 2011 article have to do with the most current poll numbers?
    Do you realize how foolish you look with posts like this? How does it feel to be even less popular than Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Lets put this into perspective.

    More approve of Obama than the following..

    Congress (17%)
    Boehner (30%)
    Republican handling of the debt ceiling (21%)
    Tea Party (20%)

    Now the parts where Obama gets beaten are among others

    Who do you blame for the deficit ... Bush (44%)
    Who is to blame for whole debt drama ... Republicans (47%)
    Not favouring the Tea Party (40%)
    Tea Party influence in GOP too much (43%)
    Not a supporter of the Tea Party (73%)

    From Documents: The Full Results From The New York Times and CBS News Poll - Document - NYTimes.com

    So GOP and Tea Party people.... how does it feel to be more unpopular than Obama?
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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

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    Yet with the exception of 2008 and 2001-2002 Federal Tax revenue grew after the complete execution of the Bush tax cuts. How do you explain it. You buy the liberal rhetoric yet ignore the actual results.
    Please show me with your reference figure or charter or URL.

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    Please show me with your reference figure or charter or URL.
    You can get the information at BEA.gov, they get their data from the checkbook of the United States, Treasury Dept.

    Here is what BEA.gov shows for Federal Income Tax revenue by year

    2000 2202.8
    2001 2163.7
    2002 2002.1
    2003 2047.9
    2004 2213.2
    2005 2546.8
    2006 2807.4
    2007 2951.2
    2008 2790.3

    http://www.bea.gov/iTable/index_nipa.cfm
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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You can get the information at BEA.gov, they get their data from the checkbook of the United States, Treasury Dept.

    Here is what BEA.gov shows for Federal Income Tax revenue by year

    2000 2202.8
    2001 2163.7
    2002 2002.1
    2003 2047.9
    2004 2213.2
    2005 2546.8
    2006 2807.4
    2007 2951.2
    2008 2790.3

    http://www.bea.gov/iTable/index_nipa.cfm
    Are you saying that the Bush tax cuts for the middle class actually increased revenue?

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You can get the information at BEA.gov, they get their data from the checkbook of the United States, Treasury Dept.

    Here is what BEA.gov shows for Federal Income Tax revenue by year

    2000 2202.8
    2001 2163.7
    2002 2002.1
    2003 2047.9
    2004 2213.2
    2005 2546.8
    2006 2807.4
    2007 2951.2
    2008 2790.3

    http://www.bea.gov/iTable/index_nipa.cfm
    Are you saying that the Bush tax cuts for the middle class actually increased revenue?

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Are you saying that the Bush tax cuts for the middle class actually increased revenue?
    The Bush Tax cuts for all taxpayers led to economic growth that increased govt. revenue

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The Bush Tax cuts for all taxpayers led to economic growth that increased govt. revenue
    There is no way to prove anything of the sort; therefore it is your opinion that it led to economic growth. At this point in time, the aggregate tax liability of the nation is at a historic low (in fact, taxes are lower than they were during the Bush administration). Why have they not led to economic growth?

    Correlation does not imply causation:
    The opposite belief, correlation proves causation, is a logical fallacy by which two events that occur together are claimed to have a cause-and-effect relationship. The fallacy is also known as cum hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin for "with this, therefore because of this") and false cause. By contrast, the fallacy post hoc ergo propter hoc requires that one event occur before the other and so may be considered a type of cum hoc fallacy.
    Why do you habitually get caught up in this fallacy?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    There is no way to prove anything of the sort; therefore it is your opinion that it led to economic growth. At this point in time, the aggregate tax liability of the nation is at a historic low (in fact, taxes are lower than they were during the Bush administration). Why have they not led to economic growth?

    Correlation does not imply causation:

    Why do you habitually get caught up in this fallacy?
    Why do you ignore logic and common sense or do you you have any? How does keeping more of your own money hurt the economy? Makes total sense that when the consumer has more money our consumer driven economy increases and that boosts jobs thus new taxpayers. I sincerely hope you are sending your Bush tax cut back from every paycheck.

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why do you ignore logic and common sense or do you you have any? How does keeping more of your own money hurt the economy? Makes total sense that when the consumer has more money our consumer driven economy increases and that boosts jobs thus new taxpayers. I sincerely hope you are sending your Bush tax cut back from every paycheck.
    This has nothing to do with me, so refrain from getting personal.

    You engage in a logical fallacy on a daily basis (more like 10 times+ per day). The economy would have grown IMO even without the tax cuts due to the massive increases in government spending that were enacted during the Bush Administration.

    But lets play your game. Taxes were cut and people had more money to spend... right? Make a guess where this "money" eventually ended up. It fueled a massive real estate bubble that we are still feeling the brunt of.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    This has nothing to do with me, so refrain from getting personal.

    You engage in a logical fallacy on a daily basis (more like 10 times+ per day). The economy would have grown IMO even without the tax cuts due to the massive increases in government spending that were enacted during the Bush Administration.

    But lets play your game. Taxes were cut and people had more money to spend... right? Make a guess where this "money" eventually ended up. It fueled a massive real estate bubble that we are still feeling the brunt of.
    That is your opinion which of course you are entitled to. Not sure why you have such a problem with people keeping more of what they earn. People with more of their own money means less need for the current 3.7 trillion dollar Federal Budget and bureaucrats that created the 14.6 trillion dollar debt.

    Where the money went is a personal choice that liberals seem to have a problem with. My suggestion to you is the same one as given to Buffet, you don't believe you are paying enough in taxes send a bigger "contribution" into the Federal Govt. I am sure the consumers that keep more of their money will have no problem with that.

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