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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Assuming some of this is true and not hyped, what's your point? Koch has done nothing wrong, immoral, illegal, etc. You're throwing out the red-herring. If you do not like his company receiving subsidies [which may actually be expense deductions], I suggest that you go to Washington, DC, and tell them to stop it. Government is the problem here, no Koch.
    I guess you think that helping Stalin was not immoral.

    And the point is that the Kochs money is made with govt handouts
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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I guess you think that helping Stalin was not immoral.

    And the point is that the Kochs money is made with govt handouts
    Still no link for that?

    Didn't realize the page turned over. My bad.
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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Oh my! We need to throw the Koch Brothers in jail over this one. The U.S. Government purchased oil for the oil reserve and they purchased, at least part of it, from Koch Industries. OMG!!!!!!!!! I guess they should have purchased it from John Doe who is on welfare.

    From the article: "Koch's offer was selected on the basis that its exchange ratio provided the best value to the government." NO! That should not happen. The government is always supposed to buy the worst value.

    Let's put executives from every major company in the U.S. in jail as they all sell to the Federal Government. IBM, Dell, Apple, HP, - To jail now!

    Nite Sangha!

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

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    The Billionaire Koch Brothers’ War Against Obama : The New Yorker

    their companies have benefitted from nearly a hundred million dollars in government contracts since 2000.
    So they got some government contracts? What does that prove? Somebody would have gotten it.

    The Koch brothers are involved in the energy industry which is heavily subsidized by the govt. The same goes for the lumber and paper industries, which they are involved in. Their father made his money doing business with Stalin

    7 Ways the Koch Bros. Benefit from Corporate Welfare | The New York Observer
    Here's your link to how the Kochs got rich.

    http://www.observer.com/2010/slidesh...ampaign=levine

    Pickens: It

    Even the Kochs admit that they take govt subsidies
    If the government is stupid enough to give it to them, you can't blame them for taking it. Which, "subsidies", are those, BTW?


    The government had to buy emergency oil from somebody. Is anyone that does business with the government evil, now?

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

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    Still no link for that?

    Didn't realize the page turned over. My bad.
    I Posted many links
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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I guess you think that helping Stalin was not immoral.

    And the point is that the Kochs money is made with govt handouts
    If his helping Stalin was anything like your government handouts, it is much ado about nothing.

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Oh my! We need to throw the Koch Brothers in jail over this one. The U.S. Government purchased oil for the oil reserve and they purchased, at least part of it, from Koch Industries. OMG!!!!!!!!! I guess they should have purchased it from John Doe who is on welfare.

    From the article: "Koch's offer was selected on the basis that its exchange ratio provided the best value to the government." NO! That should not happen. The government is always supposed to buy the worst value.

    Let's put executives from every major company in the U.S. in jail as they all sell to the Federal Government. IBM, Dell, Apple, HP, - To jail now!

    Nite Sangha!
    Nice straw man. I guess that either you just can't understand that Koch makes money from govt handouts, or you think welfare queens earn their govt handouts
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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So they got some government contracts? What does that prove? Somebody would have gotten it.
    It proves that they are welfare queens.

    If the government is stupid enough to give it to them, you can't blame them for taking it. Which, "subsidies", are those, BTW?
    But I can point out that those welfare queens at Koch Industries didn't earn the money. It came out of taxpayers pockets

    The government had to buy emergency oil from somebody. Is anyone that does business with the government evil, now?
    No, the govt did not have to buy oil from anyone.
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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    If his helping Stalin was anything like your government handouts, it is much ado about nothing.
    They are welfare queens, dependent on govt handouts, including the Stalinist govt of the USSR.

    YOu have said that socialism is wrong, but now you seem to think it's OK
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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It proves that they are welfare queens.
    Why? Because they sold a product to a customer and that customer happened to be the government? Who is the government supposed to buy stuff from, the stuff fairy?



    But I can point out that those welfare queens at Koch Industries didn't earn the money. It came out of taxpayers pockets
    Koch Industries had a product to sell. Yes, they earned the money.



    No, the govt did not have to buy oil from anyone.
    How do you figger that?

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