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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Why yes! If I need more profit to pay my bills, the first thing I do is cut employees who earn a profit for me!!
    It is true in government. It is also true in business. If your employees were earning a profit your bills would not exceed your revenues. For government, where profit is not even a consideration the situation is far worse. Close down the extra-constitutional departments and begin saving taxpayer dollars every year.

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, that it simply incorrect. If the debt ceiling is not raised the government will not be able to pay all its bills. The only question is who will get stiffed. Will it be private contractors who have performed work for the government? Will it be military personnel? Will it be foreign creditors? Will it be seniors? It's not a question of if, it's a question of who. A vote not to raise the debt limit is a vote not to pay bills that have already been incurred.
    Or will it be all of the non-essential, busy-bodies in the extra-constitutional parts of the federal government?

    How much better off would we be without the education department? Lots. And how many agencies could we do away with who hound and harass American Citizens? We could completely eliminate the EPA and the country would be far better off next year than this.

    There are many choices. I think we should slash the greedy geezers's social security. There is no good reason why they should get so much more out of the system than they ever paid in. Let them feel the pain. It was their greed that got us into this mess.

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    A vote not to raise the debt limit is a vote not to pay bills that have already been incurred.
    No. It is a means of the one term Marxist president Obama getting even more money for his re-election slush fund. A portion goes to pay the debt. The rest is to pay for promises made.

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by smukkeste View Post
    Everybody's been talking about Debt Ceiling but there is a very simple way of avoiding debt - US has so many illegal immigrants, who work here illegally thus not paying taxes and spend AMERICAN money in their countries. They get free health care, but we, citizens, still have to pay for them. If our government offered illegal immigrants greencards and work authorizations (it's at least $1000 per person), we would get a lot of money to the budget and by working legally all these immigrants would have to pay taxes etc.
    If we put people in jail who help illegals, who provide them with housing, or legal services or banking it would take no time before the problem righted itself. The illegals would self deport.
    Last edited by Misterveritis; 07-28-11 at 10:42 PM.

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    You know when you divide groups into liberals and "real Americans" it really makes you lose at a lot of credibility and is kind of disturbing overall. This us vs them mentality has proven very dangerous throughout history.
    It sounds better than Liberals and Conservatives. I kind of like it.

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    No. It is a means of the one term Marxist president Obama getting even more money for his re-election slush fund. A portion goes to pay the debt. The rest is to pay for promises made.
    The Republicans have made proposals and even passed a House Bill that they sent to the Senate, which Harry Reid and and merry band of liberals gleefully killed. If we default, it's on them. The House should pass one more bill and send it to the Senate before Tuesday then go home. The rest is on them.
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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i hope that if we learn nothing else from this debt crisis, we at least accept that outsourcing an employment sector without replacing it is a losing proposition.

    a large part of the reason that there isn't enough tax revenue is that a lot of people who used to be working and making a good middle class living are no longer working / earning as much, and therefore are paying less or no taxes. so while outsourcing those jobs has led to goods with a lower retail price, that lower price is an illusion. once lost tax revenue and public financial support for displaced workers are factored in, paying more for consumer electronics starts to look like a much better deal.
    Dylan Ratigan made a similar point today, that we are arguing about the chronic problem of borrow and spend, and completely ignoring the acute problem of unemployment. He compared it to an overweight guy with a broken leg going to an emergency room and they tell him he needs to lose weight.
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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    The Republicans have made proposals and even passed a House Bill that they sent to the Senate, which Harry Reid and and merry band of liberals gleefully killed. If we default, it's on them. The House should pass one more bill and send it to the Senate before Tuesday then go home. The rest is on them.
    You must be joking. The House passed a bill that requires a constitutional amendment which they knew from the start could never pass. Republicans have refused to pass the debt limit extension, which has been done over 100 times without preconditions. And further, they have been absolutely unwilling to comporomise. There is absolutely no confusion where the blame will lie if this lunacy continues.

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It sounds better than Liberals and Conservatives. I kind of like it.
    Well that just shows how close minded you are.

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    Re: Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You must be joking. The House passed a bill that requires a constitutional amendment which they knew from the start could never pass. Republicans have refused to pass the debt limit extension, which has been done over 100 times without preconditions. And further, they have been absolutely unwilling to comporomise. There is absolutely no confusion where the blame will lie if this lunacy continues.
    please explain to us what the senate passed. I know it isn't a budget that has not happened in about three years. Did I miss where they passed something regarding the debt ceiling? Ot is your position doing nothing is better than doing something that does not work.

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