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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I can agree for now that they should just raise the debt limit. Deal with the spending and tax rates later.
    I don't agree that the Repubs are more to blame. I don't see a whole lot of compromise by the Senate. Thought Obama said he won't sign a debt increase bill without new revenu.
    Obama has since caved on that. Now, his only demand remaining is that what he signs has to have some length to it. I.E. he's not going to sign a bill that just puts us right back in the same mess again in six months.

    The last thing we need is to do this all over again right as we enter the Christmas buying season.

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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Republicans are desperate to make Obama a one-term president and they are gambling with our country by sending the economy into tumoil next week on the hope that they can spin it to make it Obama's fault, thus ensuring a Republican victory next year. I believe they don't fully realize the backlash they will suffer as a result of this Hail Mary they are attempting as Americans are not as stupid as they seem to think.
    BS. Republicans have passed their own plans, and come to bipartisan agreements with Democrat leaders on others. There is only one actor in this farce who has consistently said "no" to everything offered him and that is President Barack Obama, who does think that he benefits politically from going past Aug 2. His 2012 campaign is going to be one of "Republicans Want To Kill Your Grandmother" nonsense, and he needs an economic narrative that will back that up and let him try to share blame for the continued poor state of the economy.

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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Obama has since caved on that. Now, his only demand remaining is that what he signs has to have some length to it. I.E. he's not going to sign a bill that just puts us right back in the same mess again in six months.
    "Now, let me be clear. Going past August 2nd would be a disaster. Social Security recipients might not get their checks. Agriculture may come to a halt. US Debt may get downgraded, and the economy could go into a tailspin.

    Which is why we all agree that none of these things are as important as making sure that I don't have to handle this politically damaging issue again before November 2012, when I want to be reelected.


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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    BS. Republicans have passed their own plans, and come to bipartisan agreements with Democrat leaders on others. There is only one actor in this farce who has consistently said "no" to everything offered him and that is President Barack Obama, who does think that he benefits politically from going past Aug 2. His 2012 campaign is going to be one of "Republicans Want To Kill Your Grandmother" nonsense, and he needs an economic narrative that will back that up and let him try to share blame for the continued poor state of the economy.
    The BS was the bill Republicans passed, which they knew was absurd when they passed it. It required ratification by 2/3rds of states which could not be accomplished by Tuesday and it demands massive budget cuts which belong in the budget. Republicans don't feel confident they will get the cuts they want in a budget so they're holding the nation hostage to get what they want.

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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    There's what you wrote... and then there are facts.

    If you look at military spending from an historical perspective -- even with two (three?) wars -- it's relatively low right now, as it was throughout the Bush years:



    The same cannot be said for entitlements:





    You forgot to add the 2 trillion that was taken from SS that still has to be paid back. We spend almost on military as the rest of the world does combined. Not so with entitlements that has been mostly funded through FICA taxes. We are no where near spending as much on entitlements as the rest of the world combined.
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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the problem is entitlements. Defense spending will lower naturally as we pull back from Iraq and Afghanistan. Meanwhile, Social Security and Medicare are set to explode in costs. Medicare on its' current path will be bankrupt within the decade, and it will drag Social Security with it.
    Nice spin. Bush doubled military spending excluding the additional cost of his wars. That won't lower naturally. It will have to be cut. The problem is not entitlements. When the money stolen from SS for the decade long wars is repaid, it will be good for half a century. By also raising the FICA cap, it is back up to speed for the foreseeable future. The root problem of Medicare is that the US has the most expensive health care system in the world. Upgrading to UHC is the only solution to that problem.
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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    There's what you wrote... and then there are facts.

    If you look at military spending from an historical perspective -- even with two (three?) wars -- it's relatively low right now, as it was throughout the Bush years:



    The same cannot be said for entitlements:





    Next time you want to post a bunch of crap.. Do us the courtesy of at least sourcing your stuff.. Why is it with you conservatives there is never a link.. If you want me to consider you views and evidence, then you need to post a damn link to it!! Otherwise it doesn't exist.. Get it??

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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Nice spin. Bush doubled military spending excluding the additional cost of his wars
    no, he didn't. the charts above show that Bush increased military spending, but certainly didn't double it as a % of GDP.

    That won't lower naturally. It will have to be cut.
    it is lowering naturally as we withdraw from both of those conflicts. and the DOD has already been cut (unlike the rest of the government), and will be cut more in the future.
    The problem is not entitlements. When the money stolen from SS for the decade long wars is repaid, it will be good for half a century
    and where, forsooth, are we going to get this money? do you have $86 Trillion on your person?

    the problem is indeed entitlements and accumulated debt. particularly medicare:



    and w0o is it ever a problem:



    but Defense? nah, there's not enough there to stop that rise:





    again, you could cut every dollar from the defense budget, and still not have enough to pay for our entitlements.

    By also raising the FICA cap, it is back up to speed for the foreseeable future. The root problem of Medicare is that the US has the most expensive health care system in the world. Upgrading to UHC is the only solution to that problem.
    that is laughably incorrect. it is a potential solution, but a poor one. shifting the structure of Medicare to something that functions like Part D while raising the retirement age slightly for SS and Medicare both is a far superior option.
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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    There is no debt crisis. The US is not going to default, even if the debt celeing isn't raised for another 5 years.

    Any 3rd grader can find 0.4 in 2.2. Our debt is going to be the first bill paid.

    In the event of a government shut-down, the President decides which parts of the government get shut down. If parks are closed, it's at the President's direction. If SS isn't paid, it's at the President's direction.

    All this is, is President Obama trolling the public so as to bully Congress to give him more money, because he knows he over spent even his liberal budget and needs a golden parachute.

    We were dumb enough to elect him, and we're dumb enough to believe him now after all we've seen him do.

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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, he didn't. the charts above show that Bush increased military spending, but certainly didn't double it as a % of GDP.

    I never said it doubled as percentage of GDP. Why the hell would it? You think our need for defense increases as a percentage of GDP?

    "President Bush Jr. more than doubled military spending during his presidency, from $300 billion in 2000 to $650 billion by the time he left office."

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    it is lowering naturally as we withdraw from both of those conflicts. and the DOD has already been cut (unlike the rest of the government), and will be cut more in the future.
    Not if it is up to the GOP. They didn't even include it in their deficit reductions plan.


    and where, forsooth, are we going to get this money? do you have $86 Trillion on your person?
    It took 30 years of tax cuts to create the debt, it will take 30 years of a FICA cap increase to fix the problem.

    the problem is indeed entitlements and accumulated debt.
    thanks for your opinion!


    particularly medicare:
    Private health insurance has become just unaffordable as Medicare. we will have to address the underlying problem, our nations outdated health care system that is the most expensive on the planet.
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