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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    I said this about the tea party

    1) they are now and always have been Republicans
    2) they would no more start a third party to hurt their precious Republicans than they would vote Democratic
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    Factually incorrect. While the numbers may be different now, prior to the 2010 election 40% were independents or Democrats. While a majority of Tea Partiers have been Republicans, the movement has not always been "republicans" period. That's factually incorrect, there's no argument there.
    I saw no source for your numbers, but I will provide one that is nationally respected

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the...blican-pa.html





    New York Times/CBS News Poll: National Survey of Tea Party Supporters

    In this poll - taken before the 2010 election of November, we found out that
    15% of tea party members identified with the Democratic Party
    6% were Independent
    79% were Republicans with four out of every five of them identifying as "conservative republican".

    This shows that you were factually incorrect. These folks are Republican to the core. Lets dispense with this sham that they were this big group of disaffected Dems or Independents and they came together in common purpose.
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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post

    Id also like to point out, under Clinton, the slower debt growth came from republican budgets and under Reagan the increases came from Democrat budgets. Because it is primarily the House that controls spending. But, hey, Obama can take credit for all the increases in regulation, thats something
    Looks to me like that trend began before Republicans took control of Congress...

    Year ...... Increase in debt from previous year (billions)
    1990 ...... 376
    1991 ...... 432
    1992 ...... 399
    1993 ...... 347
    1994 ...... 281
    1995 ...... 281
    1996 ...... 251
    1997 ...... 188
    1998 ...... 113
    1999 ...... 130
    2000 ...... 18
    2001 ...... 133
    2002 ...... 421
    2003 ...... 555
    2004 ...... 596

    Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

    ... and it looks to me that trend ended when Clinton left office, even though Republicans were still in control of the Congress.

    hmmm.
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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Ah, but the evidence is to the contrary. The debt/GNP consistently goes down under Democratic leadership and up on the leadership of the Regressives.
    Doesn't Congress pass the bills and budgets? And why does your chart stop with Bush? No data available after 2008?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post

    Doesn't Congress pass the bills and budgets? And why does your chart stop with Bush? No data available after 2008?
    Yet barring a veto override by the Congress, no bill becomes law without the president's approval.

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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Yet barring a veto override by the Congress, no bill becomes law without the president's approval.
    And the bill doesn't get to the President without being passed by two houses of Congress... shall we trade obvious facts some more?
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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post

    And the bill doesn't get to the President without being passed by two houses of Congress... shall we trade obvious facts some more?
    Sure, the obvious fact is the president bears the final vote on all bills (again, barring the Congress overriding a veto, for those itchy nitpickers). Of course, you can't hold the president responsible for bills which never make it to his desk, but he is completely responsible for every bill which he does sign.

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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Sure, the obvious fact is the president bears the final vote on all bills (again, barring the Congress overriding a veto, for those itchy nitpickers). Of course, you can't hold the president responsible for bills which never make it to his desk, but he is completely responsible for every bill which he does sign.

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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    When have the Democrats ever refused to raised the debt ceiling?
    2006. Ever dang one of 'em, including the gentleman from Illinois:

    The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
    He's matured so much since then, hasn't he? Now he's all, "Oh man what was I thinking?"

    He had two more chances to vote on the question in 2007 and 2008. He didn't. I think he was out of town or something.

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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Can we see the hockey stick at the end of that graph for the 2 years Obama has been in office...with democrats controlling both houses of the legislature?
    I notice liberals arent touching this part of my post. Why not?

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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    When will the GOP/Tea Party wise up?
    Let's invert that and ask when are the journ-O-lists going to report the news accurately so the nation can wise up?
    CURL: Is Obama a pathological liar? - Washington Times

    In the weird world that is Washington, men and women say things daily, hourly, even minutely, that they know deep down are simply not true. Inside the Beltway, we all call those utterances “rhetoric.”

    But across the rest of the country, plain ol’ folk call ‘em lies. Bald-faced (even bold-faced) lies. Those folks have a tried-and-true way of determining a lie: If you know what you’re saying is patently false, then it’s a lie. Simple.

    And lately, the president has been lying so much that his pants could burst into flames at any moment.

    His late-evening news conference Friday was a tour de force of flat-out, unadulterated mendacity — and we’ve gotten a first-hand insider’s view of the president’s long list of lies.

    “I wanted to give you an update on the current situation around the debt ceiling,” Mr. Obama said at 6:06 p.m. OK, that wasn’t a lie — but just about everything he said after it was, and he knows it.

    “I just got a call about a half-hour ago from Speaker [John A.] Boehner, who indicated that he was going to be walking away from the negotiations,” he said.

    Not so...

    But back to the lying liar and the lies he told Friday. “You had a bipartisan group of senators, including Republicans who are in leadership in the Senate, calling for what effectively was about $2 trillion above the Republican baseline that theyve been working off of. What we said was give us $1.2 trillion in additional revenues,” Mr. Obama said.

    That, too, was a lie....
    ...

    Mr. Boehner was blunt: “The White House moved the goalpost...

    But Mr. Obama, with a straight face, continued. “We then offered an additional $650 billion in cuts to entitlement programs — Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security.”

    The truth: “Actually, the White House was walking back its commitments on entitlement reforms, too. They kept saying they wanted to ‘go big.’ But their actions never matched their rhetoric,” the insider said.

    Now, Mr. Boehner and the real leaders in Congress have taken back the process. He’ll write the bill and pass it along to the president, with this directive, which he reportedly said to Mr. Obama’s face in a short White House meeting Saturday : “Congress writes the laws and you get to decide what you want to sign.”
    (ZIMMER'S NOTE: WONDERFUL!)

    Watching the one-third-of-a-term-senator-turned-president negotiate brings to mind a child spinning yarns about just how the living room lamp got broken. Now, though, the grown-ups are in charge; the kids have been put to bed. Ten days ago, the president warned the speaker: “Dont call my bluff.”

    Well, Mr. Boehner has. He’s holding all the cards — and he’s not bluffing.
    But Obi's propagandists are doing their best to dupe the public... problem is... Obama's credibility has become as thin as Blago's.

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