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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Thier lack of interest organizing as an actual political party shows they have no interest in building a political party.

    Wow.....

    :slow clap:

    That's some breath taking logic there. Did you know the people who score the most points in football win the game? Are you related to John Madden?

    Next you're going to tell me that the Anti-War Movement wasn't interested in pushing a broad political ideology but were simply for pushing anti-war policy. Your insight is astounding.
    Actually it shows two very apparent truths that seemed to escape you - perhaps intentionally , perhaps because you have willful blinders on about them.

    1) they are now and always have been Republicans
    2) they would no more start a third party to hurt their precious Republicans than they would vote Democratic

    I just wish they would drop the "party" from their name as its a gross lie. Is there any other political movement called a party in politics that is not a political party?
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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    When will the GOP/Tea Party wise up?
    November 7, 2012... or maybe not. They'll probably just double down...they're good at that.

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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Democrats only know one thing - how to spend like there's no tomorrow. 2012 will have Obama spending this country into slavery to China. They can't help themselves. While demonizing the Tea Party as whatever you last saw on MSNBC (I think you've been channeling Ed ****z or possibly Mancow's talking points), the reality is the Tea Party pushing for fiscal responsibility which flys in the face of spend spend spend progressive liberal hacks. 2012 with Obama killing off this country might be a good thing... perhaps that will see progressive liberalism die a long slow painful death as it so deserves. Best bury decomposing **** instead of having it stink up the place when it all does crash. Progressive dumbasses.
    Ah, but the evidence is to the contrary. The debt/GNP consistently goes down under Democratic leadership and up on the leadership of the Regressives.
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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually it shows two very apparent truths that seemed to escape you - perhaps intentionally , perhaps because you have willful blinders on about them.

    1) they are now and always have been Republicans
    2) they would no more start a third party to hurt their precious Republicans than they would vote Democratic

    I just wish they would drop the "party" from their name as its a gross lie. Is there any other political movement called a party in politics that is not a political party?
    Believe the "Teaparty" was just the reawakening of the principles of Conservatism. Concepts/principles which the Republican party has drifted away from over the recent years. And it appears that the teaparty voices have shocked the GOP as a whole into reacquainting themselves with those conservative basics.

    The Teaparty movement never associated to the formality of a "political party". But it did make a lot more sense for the GOP to respond to their voices than it would the Democrats.

    Think its about as simple as that.


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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually it shows two very apparent truths that seemed to escape you - perhaps intentionally , perhaps because you have willful blinders on about them.

    1) they are now and always have been Republicans
    Factually incorrect. While the numbers may be different now, prior to the 2010 election 40% were independents or Democrats. While a majority of Tea Partiers have been Republicans, the movement has not always been "republicans" period. That's factually incorrect, there's no argument there.

    2) they would no more start a third party to hurt their precious Republicans than they would vote Democratic
    Of course they wouldn't start a third party, doing so in this country and expecting to have any success is a asinine idea that is an effort in wasting capital. Our system is not set up in a way that running third party is likely to affect change; the only way to affect change is to change one of the two main political parties. Out of those political parties the one that was more fiscally conservative was the Republicans so logic says you primarily work on them because there's farther distance to go to enact said change.

    Not to mention that the Tea Party Movements policy focus and views are largely devoid of social issues and hardly touch on every political issue out there, making its viability to have a true party platform that maintains the unity of the movement to be rather difficult. It'd be like asking the Anti-War movement to create a party platform that keeps all their people together. Not all anti-war movement people are pro-choice, environmentalists, pro gun control, pro-universal health care, etc. Yet they by and large vote Democrat because its the party, out of the two main ones, that they have hte best chance of influencing on the policies related to their movement.

    I just wish they would drop the "party" from their name as its a gross lie.
    Its not a lie. The only people who routinely try to portray them as some kind of national political party are Democrats who are the same people bitching about the fact they have party in the name because it causes confusion. The only reason it potentially causes confusion is the people who want to bitch about the confusion stir up that confusion in the first place.

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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Ah, but the evidence is to the contrary. The debt/GNP consistently goes down under Democratic leadership and up on the leadership of the Regressives.
    Can we see the hockey stick at the end of that graph for the 2 years Obama has been in office...with democrats controlling both houses of the legislature?

    Id also like to point out, under Clinton, the slower debt growth came from republican budgets and under Reagan the increases came from Democrat budgets. Because it is primarily the House that controls spending. But, hey, Obama can take credit for all the increases in regulation, thats something

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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Can we see the hockey stick at the end of that graph for the 2 years Obama has been in office...with democrats controlling both houses of the legislature?

    Id also like to point out, under Clinton, the slower debt growth came from republican budgets and under Reagan the increases came from Democrat budgets. Because it is primarily the House that controls spending. But, hey, Obama can take credit for all the increases in regulation, thats something
    Incorrect.

    To keep the record straight ~

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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Incorrect.

    To keep the record straight ~

    "Even Ford and Carter did a better job at cutting government. Their combined presidential terms account for an increase of 1.4%—compared with Reagan's 3%—in the government's take of "national income." And in nominal terms, there has been a 60% increase in government spending, thanks mainly to Reagan's requested budgets, which were only marginally smaller than the spending Congress voted."

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    OMG, the Mises Institute is Right Wing and they didn't like President Reagan?


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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    OMG, the Mises Institute is Right Wing and they didn't like President Reagan?
    They hate spending period, and they called a spade a spade.
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    Re: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    When have the Democrats ever refused to raised the debt ceiling?
    What's the point of this question? You want to give Dems a pat on the back?
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