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    Re: Governors Want Congress Debt Deal With Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The political dance is going on because that what happens. Neither side wants to give up anything. Obama doesn't want to cut enough, Republicans won't raise taxes on anyone (except for those here who want to tax the poor to save the rich). Neither side is exactly negotiating in good faith.

    What I was objecting to was the idea that Republicans are putting forth all these ideas, and Obama isn't. I just don't think that's true. Will seems to think that because Republican ideas are the only ones in the press, they're the only ones in existence. Really? No ideas from the White House? C'mon...these would be real short negotiations if that were the case.
    Is he KIDDING?? The press went nuts last week when the President offered deep cuts in SS, medicare and medicaid. The democrats were furious.

    The Republicans didn't budge. Because no matter what is on the table, unless it's a gimme? They don't want it. They want it their way, or no way.

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    Re: Governors Want Congress Debt Deal With Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what? Republicans are putting up measures solo.


    again, when the President refuses to lead, ONLY Republicans are willing to put on the table what they think we should actually do in order to survive fiscally.



    The President isn't willing to say how he would reform the entitlements, the Republicans are.

    The President isn't willing to lay out a budget, the Republicans are.

    The President isn't willing to say specifically what he would cut, the Republicans are.


    The House Ways and Means Committee Chairman has demonstrated more personal courage and leadership on fiscal issues in the last 9 months than the President of the United States. A House Committee Chairman....



    REPUBLICANS are willing to risk everything and blow past Aug 2?


    forgive me, which party is currently being led by Mr Don't Call My Blufff? which party is trying to make political money right now off of scaring seniors and would love to send out those scary letters?

    ROFL....obama is refusing to deal ?? now thats one of the funniest pull it out of your hat statements ive heard in long time....its Cantor and the teaparty that dont want to deal...they want what they want and wont settle for anything less....what do you think the pres no matter who he is just has to take what the teaparty demands and you want to call that a deal...lol

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    Re: Governors Want Congress Debt Deal With Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    All we have learned once again from this round of talks on something most important to the nation is that Obama is a superior politician but a lousy leader or negotiator.
    I've heard this refrain before. So, I'm curious...

    What makes a strong leader in your opinion? What exactly should the President have done during these debt limit negotiations?

    Should he have come in and done exactly as Cantor and the Tea Partiers have done - issue ultimatums and not budge from his position, i.e., "it's my way or no way?"

    Should he have dictated to everyone in the room?

    Should he have stated his position, allowed all sides to outline theres, summarize the positions espoused by all in attendance to clarify where things stand then delegate?

    Should he have high-balled his position then negotiate down in order to find a medium deal everyone can be pleased with?

    Exactly what would you have had him do?

    For everyone who keeps claiming the President isn't a leader, what exactly would you have had him do?

    He submitted his budget in February; Congress rejected it. Why? Because they said "it didn't go far enough in deficit reduction and it increased spending". (See NYTimes.com article here.) Yet, there he is offerring an additional $2 trillion in spending cuts from his original budget proposal of only $1 trillion over ten years and still the GOP came back with their usually rhetoric, "not enough in spending cuts, no entitlement reforms, more tax increases". And keep in mind that according to the GOP's own Pledge to America, they originally stipulated "cutting spending to pre-bailout, pre-stimulus levels saving atleast $1 billion in the first year (nevermind that their pledge never stipulated how long a duration the cuts would take place)" as their baseline. (See pages 5 and 11). The President's debt limit budget proposal would have given them $3 billion in spending cuts over TEN YEARS - way over and above their $1 billion annual rate - and they still weren't satisfied.

    TWICE he offered far more in spending cuts than the GOP originally asked for and both times the GOP balked! So, when folks like you throw this "he's not being a leader" crap out there I say BULL****!!! The President's not even suppose to be part of debt and deficit discussions. NO PRESIDENT BEFORE HIM HAS EVER SAT DOWN AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO DO THIS! NONE!!!!

    Not Reagan, neither Bush nor Clinton. NONE!!!

    Why? BECAUSE BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS IS THE JOB OF CONGRESS, NOT THE PRESIDENT!

    Process, ladies and gentlemen...

    Those who continue claiming they've read or understand the Constitution, answer me this, where does it say that it's the President's job to authorize appropriations per legislation? If you can find such a clause, post it herein...bet you won't find it. But you will find:

    Art 1, Sect 8, clauses 1, 2 and 5

    Art 1, Sect 9, clause 6

    16th Amendement

    ALL deal with money, appropriations and taxation as enumerated powers of Congress!!!

    So, again I ask, "What would you have him do?"

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    Re: Governors Want Congress Debt Deal With Obama

    Now, to the thread topic itself...

    There's a reason Governors are insisting that the debt limit be raised. Anyone care to guess why?

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    Re: Governors Want Congress Debt Deal With Obama

    Does anybody else find it funny that this is the republicans vs. the president? Why are we omitting legislative democrats from this discussion? What are their proposals and plans? What have they put on the table? Has the senate drafted/voted on anything put forth by democrats? The president doesn't really have much say until it's on his desk. Why are we looking at him to put forth plans but not holding democrat legislators to the fire?

    Also, why are we looking at republicans to compromise when a comprehensive plan has not been put forth by anybody else? Compromise on what, exactly? There's been no bill or amendment. Even Obama's budget was a shell, incomplete upon presentation. All we have are vague proposals and expectations everybody is expected to meet, but no plan to get there. You want compromise? Put your detailed, outlined, completed plan on the table. Then we can have a dicussion about the merits of the three plans we've completed and proposed and whatever plan you come up with. Until then, the rhetoric of compromise is empty.
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    Re: Governors Want Congress Debt Deal With Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    He has made concessions, they have not. So no. The president isn't.
    really. care to point to any specifics? as far as I am aware he has yet to put anything to paper.

    again. unlike Republicans, whose plan is there for all to see.

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    Re: Governors Want Congress Debt Deal With Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    ROFL....obama is refusing to deal ??
    no. Obama does not want a deal. not yet. he wants to go past Aug 2 so he can send out the scary letters to Social Security recipients and use any economic disruptions to bolster his 2012 campaign.

    Boehner was going to give up $800 billion in tax increases.... and then at the last minute the President put a poison pill in, and killed the deal by insisting on $400 Billion more. Because he knew that a $1.2 Trillion dollar tax increase would either barely make it through and start a civil war within Republicans, or would fail, and he could take this whole thing past Aug 2 - it would have been a win/win for him, lose/lose for Republicans. Good for Boehner for not letting him get away with it.


    So now it looks like we go past Aug 2. And why? because the president has realized he can't run on his record, so he's going to run on Mediscare. and he needs us to go past Aug 2 to help him do it.

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    Re: Governors Want Congress Debt Deal With Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Is he KIDDING?? The press went nuts last week when the President offered deep cuts in SS, medicare and medicaid. The democrats were furious.
    precisely. LEAKED. put up a balloon. made noises. but when asked for one single thing that he would cut or one single way in which he would reform the entitlements?

    ..... nothing.

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    Re: Governors Want Congress Debt Deal With Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    He has made concessions, they have not. So no. The president isn't.
    didn't he even acknowledge, in yesterdays press conference, that the democratic leadership didn't sign off on any deal and then beat around the bush about the dems sinking a deal his own team successfully negotiated?

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