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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

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    killing gays seems to be very popular in Christian Nigeria

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

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    killing gays seems to be very popular in Christian Nigeria
    Not just Nigeria, in most of Africa it's pretty popular to go Old Testament on gays every couple of days. In Latin America it was like that until a few decades ago. Most Christians don't want to acknowledge that their religion is just as stuck in the 5th century as every other old world religion out there. However, we can't fault them, to them homos don't count. Only the womens and teh childruns.
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Either way he's an idiot, for both indulging the slippery slop fallacy, and thinking that Sharia law will come into any meaningful position within US law.
    Then again maybe we need to take notice of what goes on around us ...

    Last Tuesday, Florida Circuit Judge Richard Nielsen defended his decision to uphold a binding arbitration agreement, based upon Sharia Law, between ex-trustees of a local Mosque who claim to have been unfairly removed by the current leadership of that Mosque. The Islamic arbitration ruled in favor of the ex-trustees. The current leadership appealed, which is why the matter ended up before Judge Neilson:

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Then again maybe we need to take notice of what goes on around us ...
    You do know that arbitration is entirely consensual by both sides, right? And that the dispute, as indicated in your quote, is over the trustees of a Mosque, over leadership of that Mosque. So it would be entirely appropriate to judge the fitness of a person to have control over a religious institution by that religion's laws. There is absolutely nothing illegal or even immoral about the situation you quoted.
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

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    Then again maybe we need to take notice of what goes on around us ...
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Then again maybe we need to take notice of what goes on around us ...
    You don't think religious beliefs should have a say in who runs a religious group!?
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    For context, I think Digsbe hit it earlier:



    Seems he was referring to Sharia law, not the mosque itself.
    No, he did not. And I asked him for the context he claimed was missing, and he hasn't provided it. According to what we are reading, Cain was referring to the Mosque being an infringement and abuse of our freedom of religion. This could be a misquote, but that has definitely not been shown. Reread this sentence:

    Cain also claimed the mosque "is an infringement and an abuse of our freedom of religion,"
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    The vast majority of Sharia law regulates a Muslims private life, praying 5 times a day, eating halal, no piggy, jet settin' of to Mecca etc. It's only a small portion that would be unconstitutional.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Yeah, like the stoning for changing religions and things like that...
    Sharia Courts in Kenya existed before English colonialism and were accepted at independence. The new constitution also recognizes them. They are 'volunteer' only, limited in jurisdiction to divorce, inheritence and "status" (within Mosques, Imams, stuff like that presumably) and are appealable to the regular court system if either party is not satisfied. I see this much more as a compromise with a significant minority than being taken over.

    Is there opportunity for abuse? Probably no more than a rich husband with an uneducated and powerless wife in any context. Am I against the courts? I suppose, but they are not a spearhead of Mooslim invasion and they have no criminal or otherwise unstipulated jurisdiction whatsoever. In its Kenyan form, Sharia Court is basically voluntary arbitration in a limited set of circumstances according to ones personal beliefs.
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    For context, I think Digsbe hit it earlier:



    Seems he was referring to Sharia law, not the mosque itself.
    Cain is using the issue of Sharia law as a scare tactic. He is stating the mosque is going to cause sharia law to become enforced into the area and as such the mosque should not be built. It is about the mosque, the sharia law is just a cover
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Cain is using the issue of Sharia law as a scare tactic. He is stating the mosque is going to cause sharia law to become enforced into the area and as such the mosque should not be built. It is about the mosque, the sharia law is just a cover
    Wonder what his views on Jews are... since they also practice their form of religious law on their own kind from Synagogues....
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