http://www.debatepolitics.com/religi...post1059687579 (The cult of islam)
There is no open-ended command in the Bible to kill those who do not believe, i.e. for simply a non-believer. But, islam does.Originally Posted by NGNM85
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."The most important thing is that in islam muslims believe that the quran is the direct words of allah and the commands of allah are binding for all times. Also, they are to emulate their prophet in deeds and sayings according to Sunnah.
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
That's the main core of Christianity.If only that were the case. Sorry, there's quite a bit more to it than that.
Do you know what a parable is? A parable is a graphic lesson using common imagery or theme people can understand to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson. In this parable Jesus was using an actual historical event that happened just before Jesus' birth but was common knowledge and experience to many Jews alive at that time.He also had some dark days where he said things like; 'But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.' (Luke 19:27)
This parable was based on the historical event concerning Herod's son Herod Archelaus. In order to legitimize his rulership as Tetrarchy of Judea against his brother's claim, he set out to Rome, a far away place, to submit his claim to Caesar Augusta. Before his journey he slaughtered 3000 Pharisees for sedition. In Rome he was opposed by his brother, Antipas, and many Jews for his violence.
If you read the whole chapter from the beginning, you will know why this parable was given, as in verse 11:
"As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. "
The people were expecting the Kingdom of God to appear and the parable was about the kingdom of God. We know the Kingdom of God has not happened even to this day but until the second return of Christ when he will return to judge the world. When that day comes, evil persons who want to continue with their evil ways and do not want Jesus to rule over them will not be allowed to go on with their wicked ways. You either behave or you are gone. No more goodies for bad behavior like they have been getting away for so long.
If you have problems with a Judge getting rid for good of evil people such as those islamic terrorists who kidnapped, raped, terrorized and caused wanton murderous bloodsheds, that would be your problem not mine.
That's quite a stretch to plead a case against the Bible based on Aquinas' and Augustine's own philosophical reasoning. The Bible already cautioned us against using man's wisdom (philosophy) to guide one's path. That's why so many Christians were misled.Of course they did, because the scripture not only condones such behavior, it explicitly commands it's devotees to commit atrocities. Many renowned Theologians have acknowledged as much. For example;Thomas Acquinas and St. Augustine respectively argued, quite logically, on the basis of scripture, that heretics should be brutally tortured and executed.
Nonsense.This is completely false. It is repeatedly made clear, time and time again, that the old rules still apply.
For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.- Matthew 5:18-19
It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.-Luke 16:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.-Matthew 5:17
Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law.- John7:19
So, according to Jesus, the rules have not changed. The exhortations to barbarism of the Old Testament are still binding.Now, to recap, what does this law, which the son of god says we are obligated to uphold, actually say?
Here are some choice excerpts;
One who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death; the whole congregation shall stone the blasphemer. Aliens as well as citizens, when they blaspheme the Name, shall be put to death. (NRSV) — Leviticus 24:16
Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death. Such a person is guilty of a capital offense. (NLT) -Leviticus 20:9
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. (NIV) - Leviticus 25:44
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. (NRSV) - Leviticus 20:13
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (NIV) -Timothy 2:11-12
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.- Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. -Leviticus 21:9 NAB
I could do this all day, there are pages and pages of this barbaric crap, but I trust the point is made.
Jesus himself is the embodiment of all that inclusive iota and dot because he is the Word. In the beginning was the Word (John 1:1). For He said, "I am the Sabbath". And when He died on the Cross, He fulfilled all the mosaic laws. However, the judgment of God's laws have not been completely fulfilled until Christ's return as King and Judge.
Those Leviticus laws you quoted were for the ancient Israelites. Other tribes living around them weren't even subject to the Leviticus laws, so why would you think modern day people should? More importantly, Jews after the destruction of the Temple had not practiced them. Modern day Jews and Christians never practice them, they don't believe they are for all time, so your attempt to find fault against Christians is futile and stretching at best.
On the contrary, devout muslims still practice the islamic commandments laid down in their quran and ahadith. The most important thing is thqt, in their own words, they do firmly believe that allah's commands are for all time and the emulation of mo down to naming just about every muslim as "mohammad" is an islamic duty.