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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    I respect Cain for speaking the truth, for actually saying what so many Americans would love to say, but can't, thanks to the oppression of Political Correctness.
    It's amusing you want to elect a president who has openly made statements that would render his oath to uphold the Constitution a lie on his first day in office.

    Before it was Jews. Then it was Catholics. Then Mormons. Now it's Muslims. It's amusing that some of the most hateful people are highly religious.
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    It amazes me that some people believe Freedom of Religion only includes their own belief systems and nobody elses. Sheesh.
    Ever notice something? The more partisan you are, the less you respect the Constitution.
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No really, by all means, continue to look for loopholes in fundamental rights so that you can justify your persecution of others.
    Haven't we already justified persecuting of the cults of jim jones, david koresh and the likes of charles manson? have you not live with that?

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i want plenty of questions answered before we allow baptist churches to be built. see how that works? your candidate is a bigot. why am i not surprised that you support him?
    So, I gather you support the building of the likes of Waco worship compound and jim jones' worship training ground where members were secluded and monitored?

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it then appears you recognize the fallacy of referring to religious organizations as cults to deprive them of their Constitutional protections
    If that's the case, then you should recognize jim jones' people's temple and david koresh's branch davidian as legit religions. Do you also accept Japan's Aum Shrinrikyo which was responsible for Tokyo subway sarin gas murder attack as legit religion?

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    No, I'm afraid it is you who do not get it. There are over a billion Muslims in the world. They have their holy book, written millenia ago, filled with contradictory stories of violence and living godly lives. There are two billion Christians in the world. They have their holy book, written millenia ago, filled with contradictory stories of violence and living godly lives. There are millions of Jews in the world. They have their holy book, written millenia ago, filled with contradictory stories of violence and living godly lives. There are also about 4 billion Hindus, Buddists, and others practicing various religions around the world. I don't know what kind of holy books they have.

    But I do know this. If they live in the USA their right to practice their religion... be it Christian, Judiasm, Hindu, Buddist or Islam... is a constitutionally protected and guaranteed right. They have the right to practice their religion just as you have the right to practice yours.

    It amazes me that some people believe Freedom of Religion only includes their own belief systems and nobody elses. Sheesh.
    So, you think that the Aum Shinrikyo group which was responsible for the sarin gas murder attack in Tokyo Subway and violent "religious" groups like that should just have the right to practice their religion in this country?

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    So, I gather you support the building of the likes of Waco worship compound and jim jones' worship training ground where members were secluded and monitored?
    Your strawmans are Hilarious, what does any of this mean to American Muslims that live in open
    Society?

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Haven't we already justified persecuting of the cults of jim jones, david koresh and the likes of charles manson? have you not live with that?
    Let's review your three "cults." The People's Temple was not persecuted in reality only in Jone's mind. The people who wanted to stay in the compound were allowed to stay and no force would have been used against them. They left the U.S. because a lot of newspapers started investigating the allegations against Jones, but that isn't close to what you want done with Islam. David Koresh
    I'll give you, we shouldn't have got involved in that. However the Branch Davidans are around today though in smaller numbers. Manson? Really you consider prosecuting for horrible murders to be persecuting?

    Oh, that doesn't hold up either as none of the members of the Family not linked to the murders were persecuted and for months continued their devotion to Manson. Oh, and we tolerate cult groups all the time, not that Islam fits the sociological definition of a cult that you are trying to apply to it.

    For example we let the Moonies operate in the U.S., we let Scientology operate, etc. Your opposition to the rights of Muslims is nothing, but a blatant disregard of the 1st Amendment. It also shows your ignorance of how we handle various "cults" if you think the above listed were persecuted.
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    You know I'm more worried about radical far right reactionary Christians like you trying to take over America than I am Muslims. There is no danger of Sharai in America, but based on your posts and what I've studied of the Christian Reconstructionism and Domionist movement there is a danger of those like you trying to implement Mosaic Law. So maybe we should ban the Catholic Church and other Christian Churches? The answer to that question is no. Your religion has just as much right to exist as Islam does and I view them both the same as ridiculous superstitions.
    There are plenty of muslim countries for you to try out your conviction. What not give it a try for a few years and do what you would do as a freedom loving person that you've been doing here and then see what happen.

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    There are plenty of muslim countries for you to try out your conviction. What not give it a try for a few years and do what you would do as a freedom loving person that you've been doing here and then see what happen.
    There is no danger of Sharai Law in the U.S. However, the Domionist movement is a threat to my freedom and it is far more likely to gain power than Islam is. The other countries you reference do not matter as we are discussing the U.S. and thus we should follow our Constitution and not change our laws just because other nations are bad.

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