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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    The same argument would apply when our government back in Feb 1993 began a siege with intense gun battle on its own citizens at the “religious” compound of david koresh’s branch davidian that lasted 50 days, resulting in the death of 20 children with a total of 75 deaths. During those 50 days, were you out there screaming against the govt to prevent this strategy of re-classification?

    Yet, there was nothing in koresh’s sacred book that called for beheading and killing of non-believers and renegades. But there are plenty of open ended violent commands in the quran and the ahadith that commanded muslims to behead and kill infidels (non-believers) and Jews wherever they find them. Not only that there wasn't any branch davidians members going about killing innocent civilians or flew suicide planes into high rise buildings in the name of their god as did the fanatic muslims all over the world and many times over.

    The same argument could also be made of the persecutions by the US govt against jim jones’ peoples’ temple that drove him and his flock to seek asylum in Guyana. Yet, there was nothing written in jim jones’ sacred books that called for slaughter of non-believers, none whatsoever as compared to the numerous calls for violence against infidels in the quran and ahadith. Not only that, prior to the investigative visit by a US congressman and his team to Guyana there wasn't any jim jones' followers going about killing innocent civilians or flew suicide planes into high rise buildings in the name of their god as did the fanatic muslims.

    If congress would have the guts to call for a hearing regarding the religious status of islam based on what were written in the quran, the ahadith and other Islamic scriptures that calls for violence against innocent people, and compare the behavior of muslims that turned devout and violent, they will find that the behavior of muslims or even converts that turned violent is consistent to the teaching of the quran, the ahadith and other Islamic scriptures, even to the letter. Recent case in point is the Little Rock murder case of American muslim convert adulhakim muhammad. Yet, there are countless muslim converts that turned violent when they were religiously delusioned into the evil of islam.

    If Congress would find that islam is not a religion but a violent cult, then the First Amendment issue won't be an issue the same way the cults of david koresh, jim jones, charles manson, marshall "Do" applewhite (heaven's gate cult), etc wouldn't be a religious or First Amendment issue.

    I can only do my best to warn you to save America and the Western civilization. You can either investigate and do your own research diligently or close your eyes to stand with the “religion” of evil. If things go in your way, there would be bloodshed and perpetual unrests for our children. With that, it makes me appreciate and understand more clearly why the ancient Israelites suffered the violent consequences at their enemies’ hands when they refused to heeds the warnings given by God.
    it then appears you recognize the fallacy of referring to religious organizations as cults to deprive them of their Constitutional protections
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    I respect Cain for speaking the truth, for actually saying what so many Americans would love to say, but can't, thanks to the oppression of Political Correctness.
    NOTICE: I am not a troll, because what I write I believe, and I have no intention of derailing threads or manipulating human nature. I am not a terrorist, because I do not endorse the killing of innocent people, and I am not here to promote violence. I AM HERE ONLY TO EXPRESS MY PERSONAL OPINION AND ENJOY LIVELY DISCUSSION.

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    I respect Cain for speaking the truth, for actually saying what so many Americans would love to say, but can't, thanks to the oppression of Political Correctness.
    You know I'm more worried about radical far right reactionary Christians like you trying to take over America than I am Muslims. There is no danger of Sharai in America, but based on your posts and what I've studied of the Christian Reconstructionism and Domionist movement there is a danger of those like you trying to implement Mosaic Law. So maybe we should ban the Catholic Church and other Christian Churches? The answer to that question is no. Your religion has just as much right to exist as Islam does and I view them both the same as ridiculous superstitions.

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Some people just don't get it. Islam that backs Sharia in any way is a CULT and they hate women and their rights, the rights you have to practice your religions.

    They promote violence against anyone who doesn't agree with them, however in public they will swear up and down to be people of peace, and when they can they will strike and will not be pretty.

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Some people just don't get it. Islam that backs Sharia in any way is a CULT and they hate women and their rights, the rights you have to practice your religions.

    They promote violence against anyone who doesn't agree with them, however in public they will swear up and down to be people of peace, and when they can they will strike and will not be pretty.
    And this goes for every single muslim on planet Earth?

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Some people just don't get it. Islam that backs Sharia in any way is a CULT and they hate women and their rights, the rights you have to practice your religions.

    They promote violence against anyone who doesn't agree with them, however in public they will swear up and down to be people of peace, and when they can they will strike and will not be pretty.
    No, I'm afraid it is you who do not get it. There are over a billion Muslims in the world. They have their holy book, written millenia ago, filled with contradictory stories of violence and living godly lives. There are two billion Christians in the world. They have their holy book, written millenia ago, filled with contradictory stories of violence and living godly lives. There are millions of Jews in the world. They have their holy book, written millenia ago, filled with contradictory stories of violence and living godly lives. There are also about 4 billion Hindus, Buddists, and others practicing various religions around the world. I don't know what kind of holy books they have.

    But I do know this. If they live in the USA their right to practice their religion... be it Christian, Judiasm, Hindu, Buddist or Islam... is a constitutionally protected and guaranteed right. They have the right to practice their religion just as you have the right to practice yours.

    It amazes me that some people believe Freedom of Religion only includes their own belief systems and nobody elses. Sheesh.

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Some people just don't get it. Islam that backs Sharia in any way is a CULT and they hate women and their rights, the rights you have to practice your religions.

    They promote violence against anyone who doesn't agree with them, however in public they will swear up and down to be people of peace, and when they can they will strike and will not be pretty.
    Sexism is common in many christian circles, I went to a Southern Baptist school supported by the Southern Baptist convention and they preached sexism from the pulpit. As for restricting religious freedom and other civil liberties there are many branches of Christianity that advocate that. The Christian Reconstructionist and Domionist movements advocate it. We have a poster on these very forums who supports those movements. I think you can all guess
    There are several christian groups that advocate violence against non-believers. Here is one example of a movement that is ripe to evolve into terrorism: 'Arming' for Armageddon | Southern Poverty Law Center .

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    I respect Cain for speaking the truth, for actually saying what so many Americans would love to say, but can't, thanks to the oppression of Political Correctness.
    So many?

    No, you anti-Americans who are against the 1st amendment are a small, noisy minority. Thankfully. That same amendment guarantees your right to write what you just wrote. You can believe Islam is a cult, that's your right. Cain crossed a line, though. He spoke out against a fundamental principle on which this country is founded. See, he didn't just say Islam is a cult. He said the first amendment doesn't count.

    And you're agreeing with him.
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So many?

    No, you anti-Americans who are against the 1st amendment are a small, noisy minority. Thankfully. That same amendment guarantees your right to write what you just wrote. You can believe Islam is a cult, that's your right. Cain crossed a line, though. He spoke out against a fundamental principle on which this country is founded. See, he didn't just say Islam is a cult. He said the first amendment doesn't count.

    And you're agreeing with him.
    Don't you know the First Amendment only applies to Christians. When it is applied to anyone else then Christians are being oppressed.

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