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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Thank you for proving my point about Cain and the mosque.

    tell us why his advocacy of the day of prayer would not be found as establishing a religion approved by the state
    Because he still has his 1st Amendment right to religious freedom. That's why.

    It's the same reason that Obama can publically attend church, or tell us that Islam is, "one of the world's great religions".
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Atheists have argued that the Perry event violates the separation of church and state.

    “It doesn’t cross the line between church and state,” Colbert said. “It erases it.”
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Atheists have argued that the Perry event violates the separation of church and state.

    “It doesn’t cross the line between church and state,” Colbert said. “It erases it.”
    Yeah and the atheists that bitch about this sorta thing are ****ing idiots, too. They would be okay with violating the 1st Amendment, by, "interfering with the free excercise of", religion.

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Thank you for proving my point about Cain and the mosque.
    ole raisin insists moslems are NOT entitled to practice their religion as theu see fit, because he opposes their ability to construct a mosque
    Because he still has his 1st Amendment right to religious freedom. That's why.
    no one denies perry has a right to practice his religion as he sees fit. the objection is when he - as a government official - advocates a particular religious practice
    pity you are unable to comprehend this distinction
    It's the same reason that Obama can publically attend church, or tell us that Islam is, "one of the world's great religions".
    Obama, like perry, can practice his own faith as he pleases (first amendment right). like perry, Obama cannot advocate a particular religious practice in his government capacity
    Obama expressing his observation that islam is "one of the world's great religions" in no way advocates for a particular religious practice
    again, pity you are unable to grasp the difference
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah and the atheists that bitch about this sorta thing are ****ing idiots, too.
    why would those who want to assure the rights provided by our Constitution are properly enforced be found by you to be "idiots"

    They would be okay with violating the 1st Amendment, by, "interfering with the free excercise of", religion.
    they see perry as using his government position to advocate for a particular religious practice and thus seek to enforce the provisions of the second amendment, which amendment says what perry is doing violates our Constitution
    why do you advocate violation of the U.S. Constitution?
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ole raisin insists moslems are NOT entitled to practice their religion as theu see fit, because he opposes their ability to construct a mosque
    "ole raisin"? Really?

    no one denies perry has a right to practice his religion as he sees fit. the objection is when he - as a government official - advocates a particular religious practice
    pity you are unable to comprehend this distinction
    The distinction is, that he didn't pass any law to do so. There's nothing in the 1st Amendment that says an elected official can't advocate a certain religion. It's the whole, "religious freedom", thing.

    Obama, like perry, can practice his own faith as he pleases (first amendment right). like perry, Obama cannot advocate a particular religious practice in his government capacity
    Obama expressing his observation that islam is "one of the world's great religions" in no way advocates for a particular religious practice
    again, pity you are unable to grasp the difference
    Perry can publically support any religion he wants. It's the, "religious freedom", part, again.

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "ole raisin"? Really?
    seems fitting


    The distinction is, that he didn't pass any law to do so.
    There's nothing in the 1st Amendment that says an elected official can't advocate a certain religion. It's the whole, "religious freedom", thing.
    let's again see the text of the first amendment
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
    notice how it tells us government cannot establish a religion. and that means perry, in his GOVERNMENT capacity cannot embrace any particular religious practice. perry the individual can endorse any religious action he would personally want to advocate
    again, it's a pity you are unable to distinguish between what perry can do as a private citizen and what he can do as an elected official of the government

    Perry can publicly support any religion he wants. It's the, "religious freedom", part, again.
    and i agree. perry - IN HIS PERSONAL CAPACITY - absolutely can support any religious practice he wants
    but perry - IN HIS GOVERNMENT CAPACITY - THAT OF THE GOVERNOR - cannot. that violates the first amendment
    tell us again why you advocate the violation of the U.S. Constitution
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    seems fitting



    let's again see the text of the first amendment

    notice how it tells us government cannot establish a religion. and that means perry, in his GOVERNMENT capacity cannot embrace any particular religious practice. perry the individual can endorse any religious action he would personally want to advocate
    again, it's a pity you are unable to distinguish between what perry can do as a private citizen and what he can do as an elected official of the government


    and i agree. perry - IN HIS PERSONAL CAPACITY - absolutely can support any religious practice he wants
    but perry - IN HIS GOVERNMENT CAPACITY - THAT OF THE GOVERNOR - cannot. that violates the first amendment
    tell us again why you advocate the violation of the U.S. Constitution
    He's not. He's encouraging people to participate in a day of prayer. That's nowhere close to endorsing any certain religion. It sure as hell isn't pushing a law creating a state religion, which is really what the 1st Amendment refers to; a response to the Church of England, by the Founders. Pick up an history book. When you do, you'll find that most of the Founders also--by your standards--violated the 1st Amendment.

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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He's not. He's encouraging people to participate in a day of prayer. That's nowhere close to endorsing any certain religion. It sure as hell isn't pushing a law creating a state religion, which is really what the 1st Amendment refers to; a response to the Church of England, by the Founders. Pick up an history book. When you do, you'll find that most of the Founders also--by your standards--violated the 1st Amendment.
    It's freedom of religion. Not freedom of a certain religion.
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    Re: Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's freedom of religion. Not freedom of a certain religion.
    Well, actually, it is.

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