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Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----

Aunt Spiker said:
Why are these people the ONLY people who ever get 'busted' for doing this when A LOT of companies and government employees DO EXACTLY THIS on their breaks - shoot - at their desks?
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Get them on tape......and you will have a point..........
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randel said:
this is called "selective outrage" on badmutha's part....he saw a chance to trash a union, and ran with it, nothing more.
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Well no doubtedly you have no outrage whatsoever at your fellow beer drinking pot smoking Union brothers.........for the Union can do no wrong.
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1Perry said:
Less so with the employer as the employee. If I want a job and dont want to belong to the union I shouldn't be forced to associate with those I'd rather not.
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You certainly are not forced to be part of a union

If a particular company is unionized, you are not forced to work there against your will, you can sell your labour to a different company that does not have a union

Remember the job does not belong to you, it is provided to you by the company
 
Badmutha said:
That and they probably arent running massive industrial equipment in their offices.......putting the lives of their coworkers at risk.

..........but clearly......Two Wrongs make it a UAW Right.
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Actually you are incorrect. When your side does it, it is not considered a wrong at all but rather a cute little quirk of white collar society.
 
Badmutha said:
Well no doubtedly you have no outrage whatsoever at your fellow beer drinking pot smoking Union brothers.........for the Union can do no wrong.
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You seem to be blind deaf and dumb to the many posts here that have repeatedly told you that the same thing occurs on the management non-union side of the story.
 
Badmutha said:
Get them on tape......and you will have a point..........
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Like some private restaurant which caters and depends on white collar office suits is going to allow such a thing. Get real.

Are you really trying to deny the three martini lunch? The guy next door to me runs his own small parts shop and spends a couple of afternoons a week treating FoMoCo execs and buyers in nudie bars in Windsor where he pops for all they can eat and drink....... and you would be surprised to what is on the menu.

None of those guys are union.
 
haymarket said:
Actually you are incorrect. When your side does it, it is not considered a wrong at all but rather a cute little quirk of white collar society.
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Not at all....as Im sure there are non-union employers across the country that Fire people for being drunk or stoned on the job......

..........but the UAW and Democrats dont come to their defense........
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haymarket said:
You seem to be blind deaf and dumb to the many posts here that have repeatedly told you that the same thing occurs on the management non-union side of the story.
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....so why doesnt the UAW and Democrats come to their defense?

Clearly two wrongs makes a UAW Right..........
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haymarket said:
Like some private restaurant which caters and depends on white collar office suits is going to allow such a thing. Get real.

Are you really trying to deny the three martini lunch? The guy next door to me runs his own small parts shop and spends a couple of afternoons a week treating FoMoCo execs and buyers in nudie bars in Windsor where he pops for all they can eat and drink....... and you would be surprised to what is on the menu.

None of those guys are union.
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Well if Chrysler gave permission to drink and smoke weed on the job..........if the UAW encouraged drinking and smoking weed on the job.......you might have something approaching a point.
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haymarket said:
In the middle of Dearborn, Michigan, the Ford Motor Company has several high rise glass towers which house thousands of white collar office workers who manage the company and perform the administrative work necessary to operate. There are many restaurants and bars located near those facilities which cater to the FoMoCo suits. You can go into many of them on a work day during lunch and see the suits eating lunch and many consume several alcoholic drinks with their meal.

Of course, they are not unionized, so the fact that they are doing this does not make the news.
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Good point. The higher ups do need to set the standard.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
You certainly are not forced to be part of a union

If a particular company is unionized, you are not forced to work there against your will, you can sell your labour to a different company that does not have a union

Remember the job does not belong to you, it is provided to you by the company
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Nah, there are many companies that would like to offer you the job but are unable to unless you are willing to give up your rights to associate with who would prefer.

If they are provided by the company, should they not be able to hire those who would prefer to not join the union?
 
Badmutha said:
Well if Chrysler gave permission to drink and smoke weed on the job..........if the UAW encouraged drinking and smoking weed on the job.......you might have something approaching a point.
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You really don't get it do you? if it is wrong for employees of a company to engage in certain behaviors because it has been decided it is counterproductive to good work habits and the ability to perform ones job tasks - it should be wrong for the entire company - union and non union alike.

1Perry wisely recognizes this reality

Good point. The higher ups do need to set the standard.
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Last night i had a few drinks at work....
 
1Perry said:
Nah, there are many companies that would like to offer you the job but are unable to unless you are willing to give up your rights to associate with who would prefer.

If they are provided by the company, should they not be able to hire those who would prefer to not join the union?
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Not if they signed a contract stating they will hire union members for those positions only
 
rocket88 said:
I'll have to think about it over the weekend. Which exists thanks to Unions.

I assume you'll be working. For slave wages. Since everything the Union does is evil.
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I like how slaves get wages.

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I like how unions think weekends aren't a market force and the reason they didn't exist is because businesses are evil, other than it was cultural and the market adjusted accordantly.
 
1Perry said:
Again, a forced association isn't what we should wish for.
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It is not forced, you are not forced to work there. It is not your job, it is the employers job and if the employer has as a condition of employement that you are part of a union, you are free to choose to join the union and work there or not join the union and not work there
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
It is not forced, you are not forced to work there. It is not your job, it is the employers job and if the employer has as a condition of employement that you are part of a union, you are free to choose to join the union and work there or not join the union and not work there
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I could argue that all day but will instead note that it doesn't even always work that way.

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These people want to work. There is no agreement for a union but yet the union goons are holding it up.
 
haymarket said:
You really don't get it do you? if it is wrong for employees of a company to engage in certain behaviors because it has been decided it is counterproductive to good work habits and the ability to perform ones job tasks - it should be wrong for the entire company - union and non union alike.

1Perry wisely recognizes this reality
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And that is for the employer to decide........

Chysler decided they dont want UAW Union slobs getting drunk and high everyday at work.......and while the UAW would seem to agree with that policy.....it is the UAW that comes to the defense of drunken stoned Union slobbery.

If there are business owners that decide their employees can drink and do drugs......thats their perogative.......but by no means justification for anyone else to do the same. Two UAW Wrongs do not make a right..........
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LMAO, what a bunch of half wits, not only are they drinking on the job, the driving under the influence....morons.
 
deltabtry said:
LMAO, what a bunch of half wits, not only are they drinking on the job, the driving under the influence....morons.
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A good point........

........apparently the UAW condones DUI and OUI.........and the only time to worry about drunk drivers......is if its a non-union drunk driver.
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haymarket said:
Like some private restaurant which caters and depends on white collar office suits is going to allow such a thing. Get real.

Are you really trying to deny the three martini lunch? The guy next door to me runs his own small parts shop and spends a couple of afternoons a week treating FoMoCo execs and buyers in nudie bars in Windsor where he pops for all they can eat and drink....... and you would be surprised to what is on the menu.

None of those guys are union.
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Martini lunch? what is this 1981? No, the martini lunch is not something that's common.... and no one at my place of employment is allowed to get drunk on the job. I don't know where you are going where you see this, but, to give you an example, the bar near my estate is the local lunch place for the mercedes benz and BMW office workers here in NJ, none of them are drinking at lunch, after? the place packs up at the bar.

So no, I think what you are describing, is something possibly of the past.
 
haymarket said:
You really don't get it do you? if it is wrong for employees of a company to engage in certain behaviors because it has been decided it is counterproductive to good work habits and the ability to perform ones job tasks - it should be wrong for the entire company - union and non union alike.

1Perry wisely recognizes this reality
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Another thought is often these union folks operate heavy machinery.... the office workers operate computers.... You really want the factory worker drunk? I thought unions were all about workplace safety...

Again, almost no one drinks to the level you claim, but if they did, I would be if I was a factory worker, be far more wary of a drinking co-worker than a dude on a computer. :shrug:
 
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