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    Re: Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Thanks for responding. Where I worked we had high level architecture, design, marketing, sales, and we had manufacturing that used large dangerous sophisticated computer controlled machines and hand assembly. So drugs including alcohol could be a problem. So the company was considering starting drug testing. As a manager, I thought this would be stupid since employment should be based on performance and performance is easily evaluated. I expressed my views, dangerous. (In fact there are small keyboard at the door evaluation of an employee that can be implemented, that functions better for the company than drug testing.) Weeks later drug testing was implemented. I had to go to training on how to explain to my group how good this was going to be. During the training the pro drug testing managers were pro because they didn’t like the sinful drug culture, others like me just cared about performance. So there were basically three types: 1) Those that didn’t think it would work and would be a waste. 2) Those that wanted to stop the sinfulness. 3) And a few that thought it would work. Note, ‘beer’ was not tested for. The company that sold the testing to our company, claiming lower costs, higher productivity, etc., etc. started the testing. Several high level engineers resigned and formed a consulting firm before testing began and we hired them at effectively higher pay than they were getting. My boss tested positive for the prescription drugs he needed. He was tested over and over for this reason. It’s very embarrassing to be pulled from a meeting to have to go pee in a way to verify that it was fresh pee. However, we were to get a report about how much performance improved and how much money was saved in 6 months, etc. Nothing was ever provided about how much drug testing improved our company. After about a year and a half drug testing was stopped. No reason ever given. My guess was that it was too expensive to catch sinners. This was especially obvious when some of the sinners were consultants sitting in the next office.
    BTY, worker bees and managers below the rank of VP had exactly the same health insurance. Above VP the official answer on health insurance was that they had exactly the same health insurance. Not exactly a lie, just obfuscation, since they also had an additional separate health policy that gave the gold plating that you mentioned. Get it, the same policy. The additional gold one is never to be mentioned.

    So, Badmutha, what is your personal experience with gold plated insurance and drugs, alcohol etc., in the workplace?
    Never in my lifetime have I seen alcohol or drug use improve work ethic or quality control........just the opposite.

    Every employee I have ever caught drinking, toking, sleeping, acting like a unions slob, on the job.......I canned with extreme prejudice.......

    .....finish your beer, clean out your desk, and get the **** off my property........
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    Re: Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Never in my lifetime have I seen alcohol or drug use improve work ethic or quality control........just the opposite.

    Every employee I have ever caught drinking, toking, sleeping, acting like a unions slob, on the job.......I canned with extreme prejudice.......

    .....finish your beer, clean out your desk, and get the **** off my property........
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    These guys were fired. What's the issue?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----

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    I would only do it if I was an airline pilot....


    Well in that case..

    I thought you meant something really important or something, like, well you know union work.

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    Re: Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Never in my lifetime have I seen alcohol or drug use improve work ethic or quality control........just the opposite.

    Every employee I have ever caught drinking, toking, sleeping, acting like a unions slob, on the job.......I canned with extreme prejudice.......

    .....finish your beer, clean out your desk, and get the **** off my property.
    I agree with this part, every employee caught drinking, toking, sleeping on the job should be canned.
    But it looks like you fire for behavior. What is "acting like a unions slob"?
    So do you fire an employee for performance or behavior? If he tokes Friday night and you know he's done that, do you can him Monday morning? What if he is the best performer you have? Then if someone’s behavior is perfect by your standards all the time, on and off the job, but a poor performer, do you keep him?

    btw, do you know what "canned with extreme prejudice" means in some venues?

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    Re: Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Do you honestly believe.......that no other UAW BEER AND POT JAMBOREES took place during the year span between reports?

    Do you honestly believe.....that the Union heads and heavys had no idea this was going on?..........right outside in the UAW Parking lot?

    The only ones getting fired are the ones lucky enough to have had some airtime.......protecting union slobbery......shielding union incompetence and corruption.........is the job Unions are here to do.
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    So we should just assume all union workers behave in this manner and fire them? Does that mean we should believe all Christians act like Westboro?
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    Re: Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I agree with this part, every employee caught drinking, toking, sleeping on the job should be canned.
    But it looks like you fire for behavior. What is "acting like a unions slob"?
    So do you fire an employee for performance or behavior? If he tokes Friday night and you know he's done that, do you can him Monday morning? What if he is the best performer you have? Then if someone’s behavior is perfect by your standards all the time, on and off the job, but a poor performer, do you keep him?
    Do whatever you want on your time........but when your on my time........you best be sober from the moment you start to the moment you finish......

    btw, do you know what "canned with extreme prejudice" means in some venues?
    Angry liberals canning beets..........
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    Re: Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So we should just assume all union workers behave in this manner and fire them? Does that mean we should believe all Christians act like Westboro?
    The only thing that should be assumed.......is that Unions will do everything in their power to protect incompetence, corruption, and the utter lie and complete fraud that is Liberalism.
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    Re: Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    The only thing that should be assumed.......is that Unions will do everything in their power to protect incompetence, corruption, and the utter lie and complete fraud that is Liberalism.
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    Well first off, that's a pretty ****ty and biased assumption. Secondly, what the **** is the problem here? These folk who were caught were fired.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well first off, that's a pretty ****ty and biased assumption.
    Its actually more Reality than assumption.......Expert: UAW likely to appeal for fired workers filmed drinking, but Chrysler won't want to settle | MLive.com

    ....you would think the UAW would want these drunk and stoned union slobs fired........for the betterment of the Union and its sewer image. But thinking and the UAW have nothing in common.

    Secondly, what the **** is the problem here? These folk who were caught were fired.
    Correction........the 13 that were caught LAST TIME were fired........and from the best info I have been able to find........11 of them have since been rehired.
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    Re: Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Its actually more Reality than assumption.......Expert: UAW likely to appeal for fired workers filmed drinking, but Chrysler won't want to settle | MLive.com

    ....you would think the UAW would want these drunk and stoned union slobs fired........for the betterment of the Union and its sewer image. But thinking and the UAW have nothing in common.
    OMG...NOOOOOO! A union trying to protect its workers! What is this world coming to?

    They're free to appeal if they like, it's a free country (well some of us are more committed to keeping it that way than others). They'll have to prove their case that they were fired unreasonably. And here we have on camera their actions. If they can all be properly identified, it seems pretty open and shut. So again, WTF is the problem here? They were caught, they were fired. This is from your own link

    "They feel it's a dischargeable offense, and it very well might be, but there's a process and that's what a labor contract's all about. People have an appeal and they have the UAW to represent them and they will probably make use of that. Whether it makes any difference or not, we'll see."

    Two other workers that appeared in the original Fox 2 report received a one-month disciplinary layoff without pay. Schwartz said it is likely the fired workers will appeal for a similar punishment.

    "Being discharged from an automotive job is a big deal. It's one of the best jobs in America, and to be discharged is something nobody wants to go through," he said. "So, obviously, they're going to grieve it. They're going to try and get the job back. I'm sure they're kind of hoping they'll wind up with the same penalty that the other people got. 'Alright, I made a mistake. I lose a little pay. Please let me come back to work.'"
    OMG...how horribly unreasonable of them!

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Correction........the 13 that were caught LAST TIME were fired........and from the best info I have been able to find........11 of them have since been rehired.
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    I didn't see "11 of them were rehired" in the link you provided. And so what? That's between the Union and the Company.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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