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Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----

I thought unions were all about workplace safety...

That's OSHA. But I know plenty of people in the auto working field. It's not terribly uncommon to have a beer at lunch. By that I mean that while not everyone does it, it's not so rare event as people would be shocked to hear it. Then again, it's usually just a beer with lunch or something. Not getting hammered and getting high (though I don't know if these people were drinking copious amounts of beer).
 
I suggest going to a strip club during lunch then, see how many people pop in for an hour or two then go back to work. They are very unlikely to be blue collars workers doing that



Usually at lunch, the strippers are the "B" team..... :prof



no thanks.
 
Isn't the union appealing these druggin and drinkin machine shop workers? :shock:

The workers are allowed an appeal. That was agreed to in contract. They are going to excercise that. That's all. The intention is not to say that "I should be allowed to be drunk and high on the job", as much as it is to say "I know I ****ed up, it won't happen again, please can I have my job back".
 
The union is representing the workers, which is their obligation. In cases like this, think of the union as kinda like lawyers.

No. The union should be protecting the workers over all. They are putting all the line workers at risk by defending these actions. These guys are putting the livelyhood of everyone they work around at risk.
 
No. The union should be protecting the workers over all. They are putting all the line workers at risk by defending these actions. These guys are putting the livelyhood of everyone they work around at risk.

Appeal was agreed to in the contract. The fired workers have requested that the Union (which they pay dues to and is supposed to represent them should the appeal be necessary) and enact the appeal. There's nothing wrong. The company can still say that they're fired as there is plenty of proof of them having violated worker safety and conduct. Or they can pity them and give them a second chance. But none of this is to actually gain the ability to drink beer while on the job.
 
Appeal was agreed to in the contract. The fired workers have requested that the Union (which they pay dues to and is supposed to represent them should the appeal be necessary) and enact the appeal. There's nothing wrong. The company can still say that they're fired as there is plenty of proof of them having violated worker safety and conduct. Or they can pity them and give them a second chance. But none of this is to actually gain the ability to drink beer while on the job.



Demonstrating once again the fruitless uselessness of Unions! :2razz:
 
Demonstrating once again the fruitless uselessness of Unions! :2razz:

if these people are hired back then I think maybe it will show the usefullness of it. Hell, even having the ability to appeal in the first place is a bit of a step up from no union.
 
if these people are hired back then I think maybe it will show the usefullness of it. Hell, even having the ability to appeal in the first place is a bit of a step up from no union.



Only if the appeal leads to kegerators on the line!
 
Only if the appeal leads to kegerators on the line!

They don't do that anymore. They used to. My grandpa is an electrician (union) in St. Louis, worked for Anheuser-Busch back in the day. They essentially had stuff like that. But I don't think that it being brought back will do anything in demonstrating usefulness of union. I think these people having a chance to appeal in general is demonstration of that.
 
The summer before my Senior year in School I worked 3rd shift at a plant that build napalmm and a bout half the shipping crew were either drunk or stoned every day.

It got so bad thay had to stop filling the bombs at the plant.

This UAW problem needs to have the Feds step in and demand everyone caught be fired and very UAW official also fired, and anyone who can be charged with a crime arrested.

How many lives do these people put at risk doing this?
 
The summer before my Senior year in School I worked 3rd shift at a plant that build napalmm and a bout half the shipping crew were either drunk or stoned every day.

It got so bad thay had to stop filling the bombs at the plant.

This UAW problem needs to have the Feds step in and demand everyone caught be fired and very UAW official also fired, and anyone who can be charged with a crime arrested.

How many lives do these people put at risk doing this?

I think what people here need to realize on both sides is demonizing the UAW and suggesting such things are accepted by the UAW is silly. I can't tell you how many people I've known in construction that drink on the job, making $350,000 houses, people in offices that drink (which usually if its in a office it is actually allowed), all the way down to of course your basic service job. It isn't so much of a union problem as it is, some people just like to be drunk or high regardless of politics, religon, race, sex, or how down low or high up they are.
 
Can we then infer from your post, Badmutha, that non-union workers, Wall Street honchos and bailed out capitalists don't drink and dope on the job?


Yes they do, but they arent the ones that got themselves caught on video...I have to agree with badmutha here...they are dumbass's especially after getting caught the first time....
When you have incidents like a steering wheel falling into someones lap driving a brand new car 60 mph on the highway with your kids in the back seat....I dont want see my car builders getting high at lunch with another half a day to go....
 
I think what people here need to realize on both sides is demonizing the UAW and suggesting such things are accepted by the UAW is silly.

...........a UAW BEER AND POT JAMBOREE took place almost everyday...........right outside the door in THE UAW PARKING LOT.......

Unless Stevie Wonder and Hellen Keller are the UAW bosses over there.......there really isnt a plausible excuse from the UAW.

Like all unions.......the UAW Protects Incompetence, Corruption, and Slobbery........its what they do..........
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The summer before my Senior year in School I worked 3rd shift at a plant that build napalmm and a bout half the shipping crew were either drunk or stoned every day.

It got so bad thay had to stop filling the bombs at the plant.

This UAW problem needs to have the Feds step in and demand everyone caught be fired and very UAW official also fired, and anyone who can be charged with a crime arrested.

How many lives do these people put at risk doing this?

They build bombs at this plant then? Listen, those who were caught were already fired. Some have choosen to exercise their contractual privilege to appeal and have the Union represent them. But there's enough evidence that if clearly video taped they can still say "no, you're still fired". Those caught are basically using the appeal to beg for their jobs back; not to say "hey man, I should be able to be as stoned and drunk during work as possible".
 
I think what people here need to realize on both sides is demonizing the UAW and suggesting such things are accepted by the UAW is silly. I can't tell you how many people I've known in construction that drink on the job, making $350,000 houses, people in offices that drink (which usually if its in a office it is actually allowed), all the way down to of course your basic service job. It isn't so much of a union problem as it is, some people just like to be drunk or high regardless of politics, religon, race, sex, or how down low or high up they are.

But you'll never find me defending them.
 
The summer before my Senior year in School I worked 3rd shift at a plant that build napalmm and a bout half the shipping crew were either drunk or stoned every day.

It got so bad thay had to stop filling the bombs at the plant.

This UAW problem needs to have the Feds step in and demand everyone caught be fired and very UAW official also fired, and anyone who can be charged with a crime arrested.
So you want gov interference at a private companies problem?

How many lives do these people put at risk doing this?
Honestly probably not as much as you think.
 
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