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Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

Wrong. Obama and the Democrats have agreed to many spending cuts, not medicare itself, but cuts to many others. Can you name a single compromise by the Party of No? I highly doubt it.

the Republicans are willing to cut pretty much anything - their only position is that we should cut an equal or greater amount to that which we raise the debt limit. That's it.

Instead, on top of insisting that Republicans pass tax hikes that not even the Democrats were willing to put their name on last December, Obama and Congressional Democrats are insisting on additional spending.

Democrats proposed extending unemployment insurance for another 99 weeks at a cost of $43 billion. In addition, they requested another $10 billion to spend on research projects overseen by the National Institutes of Health. Democrats have not, Kyl says, offered to offset the new spending with additional cuts.

These measures come on top of the increased spending Democrats proposed in negotiations led by Vice President Joe Biden, which included a $33 billion increase in Pell Grant funding and $27 billion — a number Kyl says was never explained and is much higher than Republican estimations — for the so-called “doc fix” to restore Medicare payments to physicians.

Another point of contention in the talks, Kyl explains, is that roughly 75 percent of the “savings” proposed in non-health-care mandatory spending are achieved through revenue mechanisms such as fee increases, which technically aren’t classified as tax hikes, but certainly highlight the Democrats’ fundamental unwillingness to reduce spending. Kyl says at this point he can identify only about $55 billion in actual reductions to federal spending....



these people want to increase spending and taxes... and they want Republicans to do it for them?

they are out of their minds. Republicans aren't going to commit suicide just because the President is willing to go past Aug 2. On Aug 3 everyone get's their Social Security payments and the President is shown for the community agitator he has been acting like.
 
Right you are, Ken! I do wonder.

Yes I'm sure you do .... but while you are wondering, tell me this ... are you going to be able to change what happened back in 2001 ?? or 2005 ? ... or even 2009? This is the fun part about dealing with the liberal mind ... there are no new ideas ... except Bush did it .. or it's Bush's fault ...

Sooner or later someone has to take a stand .. . it appears it's the Republicans .... at least trying to make a dent in deficit spending .... and the liberal response .. ohhh them bastards .. how dare they ... we need to spend more .. tax more .. and keep trodding on down the destructive path we are on ... because Bush did it ... and .... and ... and ... . well .. because it's Bush's fault .. great solution liberals ....
 
Republican's idea of "compromise" is "GIVE US EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT.....or we will hold the middle class hostage". Sorry....but that ain't "Compromise".
 
Once again....you either aren't paying attention or don't understand what "compromise" is. Obama has agreed to all kinds of spending cuts.....yet, Republicans refuse to agree to tax increases. Compromise has to come from both sides.....something that you and the GOP don't seem to understand. Compromise is not something that the party of no understands.

No Obama agreed to his spending cuts and raising taxes. That is not compromise that is being a bully
 
Wrong. Obama and the Democrats have agreed to many spending cuts, not medicare itself, but cuts to many others. Can you name a single compromise by the Party of No? I highly doubt it.

Are they cuts the GOP wanted?
 
Exactly. There have been anywhere from 1.5 to 2.3 TRILLION in deep cuts, on the table, at any given time, and the republicans fold their arms and jut their chins. No ciento.

**** you very much, congress critters.

Obama wants them to happen years from now
 
Hi Tim. How come Conservatives didn't feel this way back in the 2000's when Bush and the Republican-led Congress were generating record-setting deficits for years, increasing the debt ceiling repeatedly, and on their way to nearly doubling the debt?

They did they voted the GOP out in 2006
 
Republican's idea of "compromise" is "GIVE US EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT.....or we will hold the middle class hostage". Sorry....but that ain't "Compromise".

Obama's idea of compromise is the GOP must cave or I will make the old people pay
 
No Obama agreed to his spending cuts and raising taxes. That is not compromise that is being a bully

No, but what you're doing right now is called being hyper-partisan. The Republicans want cuts. Obama gave them cuts and taxes in return. They said no, and demanded he gives them what he wants. Ergo, Obama presented a counter offer, which included parts of what Republicans wanted, along with parts of what Democrats want.

This stuff isn't very hard :doh
 
Obama wants them to happen years from now

Oh, what the f**k. This is completely ridiculous. You sound like a little kid, "I WANT MY SPENDING CUTS NOW!!!" We can't cut a lot NOW without screwing up the economy even more. Government expenditure is a part of GDP, and if it drops, well we're back to square one again.
 
No, but what you're doing right now is called being hyper-partisan. The Republicans want cuts. Obama gave them cuts and taxes in return. They said no, and demanded he gives them what he wants. Ergo, Obama presented a counter offer, which included parts of what Republicans wanted, along with parts of what Democrats want.

This stuff isn't very hard :doh

Did Obama offer cuts the GOP wanted? When do the Obama cuts take affect

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/obama-debt-ceiling-press-conference_n_894416.html

Democrats suggested that most spending cuts be concentrated in the later years of a deal, but a Republican aide said GOP lawmakers took issue with that suggestion and want the cuts to begin right away.

Obama spent most of his time encouraging lawmakers to reconsider a bigger deal, on the order of some $4 trillion in spending cuts and tax hikes over 10 years. Democrats familiar with the talks said the meeting produced a clearer recognition that the leaders were going to have to go back and think again about how to find a compromise.
 
You have a source that conservatives/republicans voted for democrats? I haven't seen that before.

Democrats won so they were voted out. If they did not vote or voted third party as I did what difference does it make?
 
Not if we stop spending. Also this is only my belief but I fully believe it. Much of the problems are psychological. Most would agree with that. They see the continued attack on the dollar and do not feel good about things.

Now I know one does not automatically change the other but with higher rates the dollar would do better. People would feel better about the country without the constant attack on the dollar. Energy prices would come down and people would start spending in a more normal way.

Attacking the dollar is no way to make the country feel like things are getting better. We were told that this would increase exports. I read where the trade deficit hit record levels last month.


That relationship between the value of the dollar and the interest rate is not going to hold in this case, since the rise in interest rate will be due to higher risk associated with the bonds rather than easy monetary policy.

If the debt ceiling isn't passed, expect the dollar to fall to new lows. That might be good for US export, if the world economy doesn't go into a shock.
 
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Oh, what the f**k. This is completely ridiculous. You sound like a little kid, "I WANT MY SPENDING CUTS NOW!!!" We can't cut a lot NOW without screwing up the economy even more. Government expenditure is a part of GDP, and if it drops, well we're back to square one again.


What good does spending cuts do in 10 years? That means Obama will just continue spending. We need serious cuts now
 
I agree with some of the others, I hope that the GOP doesn't back down and allows us to default. It will display even more convincingly to the American people that the GOP stands solely for the wealthiest Americans and that they are willing to destroy the middle class in the process. It will show more than ever that the GOP doesn't care about the common people.

Well, what about the people hoping that the GDP will "destroy the middle class" so that their view of the GDP will be justified?

Prey that Boehner can get his people in line and raise the debt-ceiling, anything else and we're heading into another bad recessions with some people guaranteed to lose their livelihood and homes.
 
Well, what about the people hoping that the GDP will "destroy the middle class" so that their view of the GDP will be justified?

Prey that Boehner can get his people in line and raise the debt-ceiling, anything else and we're heading into another bad recessions with some people guaranteed to lose their livelihood and homes.

FFS dude. Nobody is hoping that. The sound you hear is people trying to make peace with the fact that we are screwed.
 
A very nice strawman... congratulations!

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So where's the specifics of medicare and social security compromises that are, according to Obama, on the table? Oh, that's right... there are no specifics. :roll:
I like how you keep moving the goal posts. Another poster pointed out that Democrats have been willing to cut spending between 1.5 and 2.3 trillion.

You whine that's not enough but when I point out at least that is a compromise, you shift the goal posts to what are the "specifics."

They've compromised. Where is that on the Republican side of the aisle. Seems to me you keep shifting the goal posts because you know the Republicans are not willing to compromise.
 
I like how you keep moving the goal posts. Another poster pointed out that Democrats have been willing to cut spending between 1.5 and 2.3 trillion.

You whine that's not enough but when I point out at least that is a compromise, you shift the goal posts to what are the "specifics."

They've compromised. Where is that on the Republican side of the aisle. Seems to me you keep shifting the goal posts because you know the Republicans are not willing to compromise.

Yes but what good are cuts when Obama has them take affect in 10 years?
 
It's crazy... Obama spends all this money we are going bankrupt and now he won't compromise, doesn't have a plan and somehow he wants to make the reps. look bad on top of it while the reps. are just trying to SOLVE the problem since the dems. didn't pass a budget for 2 years while THEY were in CONTROL then, the only thing they did was spend money like crazy. Go figure who the crazy ones are.

How did "the dems" "spend money like crazy" if they didn't pass a budget? Do you understand how the US government works?
 
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