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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post

    This is what liberals count on to maintain the status quo of spending us into oblivion. They don't want ceilings, they want endless spending forever. Is a ceiling a ceiling if you keep raising it? They treat the debt ceiling just like they treat the Constitution, a living thing.
    Oh please. Republicans voted to raise the debt ceiling over a dozen times while Bush was president to the tune of 4 trillion dollars so that he could keep spending.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama is not willing to compromise. If he was he would bringing the 2 sides together not making the gap worse
    Once again....you either aren't paying attention or don't understand what "compromise" is. Obama has agreed to all kinds of spending cuts.....yet, Republicans refuse to agree to tax increases. Compromise has to come from both sides.....something that you and the GOP don't seem to understand. Compromise is not something that the party of no understands.
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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Once again....you either aren't paying attention or don't understand what "compromise" is. Obama has agreed to all kinds of spending cuts.....yet, Republicans refuse to agree to tax increases. Compromise has to come from both sides.....something that you and the GOP don't seem to understand. Compromise is not something that the party of no understands.
    What's the cuts he's agreed to in Medicare, which according to Mr. Obama is on the table. Got specifics?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Debt ceiling talks stalled again on Weds as each side continues to stand their ground. McConnell already blinked. How long before Cantor blinks?
    Senator McConnell is trying to find a way to avoid a self-inflicted crisis. That his maneuver is likely not constitutional (a risk that it could be overturned at a subsequent time were it utilized) does not take away from his trying to help the nation avoid what would be an entirely self-inflicted crisis. It is incorrect and unfair to describe his trying to craft a fallback position as his "blinking."

    Of course, it's easy for some of the pundits on the sidelines, who have no responsibility for the consequences of their rhetoric to posture without limitation. The policy makers, on the other hand, don't have that luxury. They are confronted with having to make a grave decision with an increasingly tight timeframe. They will bear the burden of the consequences of their decisions. Hence, it is the pundits who take the cowardly approach, as they have nothing at stake. It is policy makers such as Senator McConnell who take the more courageous path.

    In fact, perhaps in part due to those very same loud elements on the sidelines, the opportunity for a "grand bargain" that was perhaps within reach, one that would have resulted in far more deficit reduction than is now likely, has been lost. Those loud elements wanted even more concessions than what is politically feasible at the time. Some of them wanted nothing less than total capitulation to their increasingly theological terms.

    Aesop offers a fable of a dog carrying meat. When it was crossing a river, it saw its own reflection. Craving a second piece of meat, it lunged for the meat in the reflection. Consequently, it lost the meat it was carrying. More than likely the loud posturing from the sidelines led to a terrible overreach, a lunge for more fiscal meat. As a result, the opportunity for an imperfect but far more robust deficit-reduction package was lost. In coming days or weeks, once the political fury of the current moment dies down, a relative mouse of a deal will more than likely emerge.

    As a consequence, the nation will likely remain on an unsustainable fiscal trajectory. Ironically, those who have been yelling loudest from the sidelines in pursuit of almost theological terms ("thou shalt not raise any taxes whatsoever" and "thou shalt not touch any entitlement programs whatsoever"), some of whom claim to crave fiscal responsibility, will have contributed to the loss of perhaps several trillion dollar in foregone fiscal savings. As they don't bear the responsibility for their actions, the outcome will be of little consequence for them. They will posture on when the occasion presents itself. In the meantime, the nation will bear the direct consquences of foregone fiscal consolidation.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What's the cuts he's agreed to in Medicare, which according to Mr. Obama is on the table. Got specifics?
    Can you name even one compromise that the GOP has agreed to....even one?
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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Oh please. Republicans voted to raise the debt ceiling over a dozen times while Bush was president to the tune of 4 trillion dollars so that he could keep spending.

    Your dog dudn't hunt.
    Current CBO projections predict that eight years of Obama will add more debt than Bush II, Bush I, Reagan, and Ford combined - and yes, that's correcting for GDP.
    In 2010 alone, the increase in debt/GDP was 30% higher then Bush's entire first term.

    The pace at which debt is being added is what is important, not the number of times the debt ceiling has been raised.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Can you name even one compromise that the GOP has agreed to....even one?

    Right after you name one the democrat pary has.
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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Can you name even one compromise that the GOP has agreed to....even one?
    So you got nothing... meaning Obama and Democrats are still playing the "rope a dope" game.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Wrong. Obama and the Democrats have agreed to many spending cuts, not medicare itself, but cuts to many others. Can you name a single compromise by the Party of No? I highly doubt it.
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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wrong. Obama and the Democrats have agreed to many spending cuts, not medicare itself, but cuts to many others. Can you name a single compromise by the Party of No? I highly doubt it.



    How about you, can you? I highly doubt it.
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