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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    It should be fair to say that a new leadership team were put in place Jan 2009. So it is fair to look at how well they are doing with the problems that brought them to office. You may admit that economy falling off a cliff in September all but ended the election.

    If someone in the business world said blame the guy before me 30 months into his rein, he (she) would be out on their butt.
    Inorite!? Because paper-pushing is just like running a country.

    It wasn't just Bush. The mess this nation is in has been building for decades. Wearing blinders doesn't eradicate that fact.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Inorite!? Because paper-pushing is just like running a country.

    It wasn't just Bush. The mess this nation is in has been building for decades. Wearing blinders doesn't eradicate that fact.
    Just trying to illustrate that it gets tiresome to hear someone blame the last guy. Even in your partisan statement you mention that this mess has been going on you decades. I agree. But that hurts the narrative of let's blame Bush ( who I thought was an idiot and never voted for).

    Do I expect that the president could have totally fixed our problems in 30 months, no. Do I think that we could be on a path to a sustainable better economic future, yes.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Inorite!? Because paper-pushing is just like running a country.

    It wasn't just Bush. The mess this nation is in has been building for decades. Wearing blinders doesn't eradicate that fact.
    That is correct but not putting the current stagnation on the current administration isn't going to eradicate our current problems either. The moves made by this administration to get the economy going have been largely a failure.

    History will treat many of those who made similiarly bad decisions in the past poorly, but they are now unable to make up for their errors.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I vacillate between knowing we're done here, and having a fatalistic sense of peace about it, and being so very, very angry.
    I agree completely. Honestly, people of this sort almost make me hypocritically want to remove their free speech, because they really don't need it, and abuse it so much, the Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves.

    Let me put this out there for everyone, EVERY Founding Father would hate the far-right of today.
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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    um, no...a good chunk of this problem is a republican thing....quit the partisian hackery, and admit the truth to yourself, the quicker you, and the rest of the country do this, the quicker we solve this.
    I just showed how most of it happened since the democrats took control. We would not be here if Obama would cut spending and the democrats would do the pay go they claimed they wanted.

    Ine question for Obama. How much money does he need to win the election? That is what this is about Obama needs more money to buy votes.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So in your world the USA did not begin until Jan 20 of 2009?

    interesting.
    We would not need the current raise if Obama had not added over 3 trillion to the deficit

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I agree completely. Honestly, people of this sort almost make me hypocritically want to remove their free speech, because they really don't need it, and abuse it so much, the Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves.

    Let me put this out there for everyone, EVERY Founding Father would hate the far-right of today.
    I don't agree --- their views at the time were very conservative, much more so than today. But let's just assume you're correct --- the founders would hate the far-left just as much.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Given his personality, and his accidental admittance it is a "Bluff", I'd call.
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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I don't agree --- their views at the time were very conservative, much more so than today. But let's just assume you're correct --- the founders would hate the far-left just as much.
    I never said they wouldn't, and don't assume I would've said they wouldn't.

    I hate having to constantly criticize both sides whenever one side does something stupid...it seems like such a waste of time to me and gets really redundant.
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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Where is the damage in stopping the wars? Paying Pakistan? (I could go on longer)
    It is not necessary (or wise) to cripple the world economy to stop the wars or discontinue the tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans.
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