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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, Republicans advocate for subsidies to farmers. Democrats give subsidies to small business owners in the inner cities.
    NASHVILLE, Ind. (AP) - U.S. Sen. Richard Lugar is supporting a push to repeal federal sugar subsidies, saying they were "concocted by law to favor a very few."

    The Republican lawmaker made the comments Saturday during a stop at the Candy Dish, a Nashville confectionary that's a popular stop in the southern Indiana tourist town.


    The ilast time this was tried, it was the Dems that saved it.

    Sen. Lugar pushes sugar subsidy repeal


    Do many of them want to defund the corrupt and wasteful UN? You bet and they should.

    If minorities were the only people on welfare, but the percentage of people who are on welfare is pretty much spread between millions of whites, millions of blacks, hispanics etc. However Republicans only seem to focus on the minorities who are on welfare.
    About as foolish and wrong as the rest of your post.
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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Don't like my "boring ass diatribes" then don't read them. Pretty simple solution.

    What class is that they're committing warfare against? Is "Small buisness owner in harlem" a class of people? When loosening regulations on requirements for small businesses such as federal requirements regarding various types of leave or entitlement payouts, such as the amount of employees a business requires before being fined for not providing health insurance, have they been putting in an exemption that "if one lives in Harlem they are exempt from this action" that I have completed missed? When they've pushed for the lowering of taxes relating to small businesses is there an * in their proposals that I've just glossed over that says "Harlem business owners do not apply".
    Here you demonstrate why you have no idea what "class warfare" is to begin with. You think of class in terms of income when it has never been that way. Is making 50K a year lower class while 250K is upper class? You can't define class in numbers. Do you define class as the proletariat and the bourgeoisie as Marxists do? Do you define it by making above or bellow a certain income? Do you determine it by the person's contribution to their society? Which sector they work in? You have no idea what class is to begin with so why try and act like you know what class warfare is?

    or is this just more typical hautey "OMG THAT'S RACIST!" boring ass diatribes?
    I don't write diatribes. I try to keep my readers in shock and awe. You seem to take the part of write as much as you can so your ignorance on the subject won't be obvious.

    Yes, they advocate on behalf of the oil industry for reducing government regulation. They've also advocated on behalf of the coal and gas industry for reducing government regulation. They've advocated on behalf of the nuclear industry for reducing government regulation. They generally advocate for the reduction of government regulation on energy.

    Exactly what class is that they're warring against?
    See why I can't take you serious? You still don't know what "class" the major industries in this country belong to. If you don't know what class they belong to how do you know Democrats are commiting class warfare?

    I will give you that, the Republicans do commit class warfare against the felon class. They do generally attempt to make criminals look like bad people for the fact that they're felons, you're correct.

    The closest thing to class warfare in the context that's being talked about, IE the lower, middle, and upper class, would be in regards to thier efforts against welfare and those who obtain money off it. When they go for the argument less about the financial implications or the constitutional relevency of it but rather than "welfare" recipients are just lazy do nothings that mooch off the government, they are absolutely playing class warfare. And that's wrong of them when they approach it that way.

    How exactly does that excuse the Democrats doing it though? "Mommy Mommy! He did it too!" Yeah, wonderful, they can both be jackasses...however, one sides jackassery is actually significantly relevant to the current conversation. There are far more right now calling for taxes on the "greedy rich people" who have "More than they need" then there are those saying "stop paying welfare to the lazy do nothings".
    Do you know what class is? Cause the fact that after typing all that boring ****, you're still acting like "upper" "middle" and "lower" class are classes and felons, oil industries, etc are just floating globs of social fabric is why nobody can take a republican serious in discussions about "class warfare". Here I'll give you an example of class warfare and you can tell me how many classes it affects: Republicans advocate for tougher drug laws. Drug laws which only affect low income neighborhoods as they lack working possibilities. How many classes does this affect? 1, 2, 3? All? Or is it just two? Which ones.

    Sorry to bust up your boring ass diatribe hautey,
    I didn't write one. Do you know what a diatribe is? I guess your concept of diatribe is as strong as your concept of "class warfare".

    but Republicans aren't the only ones who accuse the other side of doing it.
    Which Democrats in the US do it? Oh you mean the 3-4 people on this thread?

    Democrats do it just as much and are doing it in this thread, they just may not use the word. Everytime they accuse the Republicans of just looking out for the wealthy, only looking out for the wealthy, only caring about the wealthy, not caring about the poor, not worrying about the poor, etc they are stating that the Republicans are engaging in class warfare by attacking or defending only one side. Just because people like Disney aren't directly saying the words doesn't make their accusations of Republicans playing class warfare by going off "the backs of the elderly and the poor" any less present.
    Democrats acknowledge that it's necessary. Republicans pretend it's not. Then they hand corn subsidies to farmer Joe.
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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    yes, they will judge the incumbents as those at fault.


    Many of the republicans this go round were voted in on stopping the spending, these folks may see a light at the end of the tunnel through all this.
    If they see the light they have steadfastly refused to go into it. Let us hope the light the 2010 GOP winners do see is the light at the unemployment office.
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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Maybe the Reverend and others have no idea what class "warfare" actually means and like most ignorant Republicans he uses it whenever it suits him? Here, before you go on one of your boring ass diatribes:

    - Republicans commit class "warfare" by funding farmers subsidies. Something they would not do for small business owners in Harlem.
    um. agricultural subsidies were put into place by Democrats and protected by both parties until Republicans voted to get rid of them in the 2012 House Budget.... that Democrats killed in the Senate.

    - They also commit this by advocating on behalf of oil industries(drill baby drill?). Something they wouldn't do for scientific institutions.
    oil companies, of course, provide above-average incomes for non-college educated blue collar workers everywhere they go. I have several friends of mine who have gone to work on drilling sites after the Marines, because it's a good career for those who honestly assess themselves to not be intellectuals. those bastards.

    They also commit it by accusing Democrats of being supportive of criminals, minorities on welfare etc.
    not "being supportive of" those individuals. being supportive of those behaviors


    Republicans (generally) recognize that the interests of the "classes" (such as we have them) are aligned. Democrats (generally) believe the are opposed. that is the difference.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    You're 0 for 3, that's not what you said either. You said:
    "Yes but what good are cuts when Obama has them take affect in 10 years?" ~ ptif219
    You're only changing what you said now that your confusion was put in the spotlight.
    Nice try but this is about Obama. As usual you try to deflect to avoid what Obama is doing.

    I would tell the GOP to ask Obama one question.

    Mr. President how much more money do you need to to buy the votes you need to win the 2012 election?

    What Obama is doing is not about the country it is about Obama annd the election

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It wasn't "threats", it was the honest reality. The Republicans are willing to hold the elderly and the disabled hostage in order to protect the pockets of the wealthiest. It should be clear to everyone which party represents which interests.
    Wrong it is a threat Obama will not do because it would cost him the election.

    We are here because of out of control spending from Obama and the democrats. THE PEOPLE KNOW THIS!!!

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Not to mention that Republicans were willing to lose our credit rating, shake the world markets - wait, maybe not that one. Maybe once it became obvious that this could actually adversely affect THEIR wealth, the rusty wheels finally started turning.
    It is Obama that has put us here not the GOP

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry Rev.....I mean...Reverend Hellh0und.....you call it hysterics, the rest of it call it reality. The GOP refuses to cut the military and plays the fear card whenever it is proposed and yet, the military eats up over 50% of the total budget. So, you can't balance the budget on spending cuts alone....THAT is just the simple reality. But the GOP cannot stomach the thoughts of their millionaire and billionaire cohorts cutting back on their caviar and truffles....and they are willing to hold seniors, the disabled and the entire middle class hostage to ensure that they won't have to.
    How much will Obama cut this year?

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I doubt it. The American people would judge who was responsible and vote accordingly.
    You are correct Obama and the democrats got us here

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It is Obama that has put us here not the GOP
    ummmm...no...that is incorrect, both repubs and dems have had a hand in it...we have known for a long time that judgement day was coming, and both have kicked the can down the road, and as soon as the hyperpartisians on both sides realize this, the quicker we can solve the problem.

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