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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Hello? Hello? Question from post 181?
    you're really one to talk about addressing questions and posts from others

    Need I remind you of your episode of blatant hypocrisy? The point is, forget about it.
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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Erronious, Reverend and others would likely say it was "class warfare" when tax breaks are only given to the wealthy. However, they have no said it in the past...such as with the bush tax cuts...because they were given to everyone, not just the wealthy.

    It is Democrats, not Republicans, that are only targetting a one or two tax brackets and saying "DO SOMETHING TO THEM"...not republicans.



    If the Democrats were saying we needed to end the Bush Tax cuts completely the class warefare comment would be irrelevant and useless. If the Democrats were suggesting to raise taxes on everyone the class warfare argument would be dead in the water.

    Its because the Democrats ONLY want to tax a single class of people and not touch anyone else that the class warfare argument comes out. And rightly so, when the Democrats go out and suggest that anyone making enough to be what they deem as "rich" is being "greedy" if they don't agree with Democrats on tax increases while they fire up anyone else to "stick it to" the "greedy rich people" so that the government can afford to give them more free stuff like healthcare, unemployment money, and welfare by using someone elses money. Because, you know, wanting more stuff that you're not actually doing anything to earn by taking from someone else to fund it isn't greedy....but wanting to keep what you earned is apparently.

    If the Democrats don't want the class warfare card to be thrown out how about they stop engaging their focus on a sigular class while spreading lies that the Republicans only ever do anything for the "upper class" which is 100% FACTUALLY wrong.
    They do MORE for the upper class.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    you're really one to talk about addressing questions and posts from others

    Need I remind you of your episode of blatant hypocrisy? The point is, forget about it.
    There are many places I've posted here. If I missed something please provide me a link and I'll be happy to address it.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    They do MORE for the upper class.



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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Erronious, Reverend and others would likely say it was "class warfare" when tax breaks are only given to the wealthy. However, they have no said it in the past...such as with the bush tax cuts...because they were given to everyone, not just the wealthy.
    Maybe the Reverend and others have no idea what class "warfare" actually means and like most ignorant Republicans he uses it whenever it suits him? Here, before you go on one of your boring ass diatribes:

    - Republicans commit class "warfare" by funding farmers subsidies. Something they would not do for small business owners in Harlem.
    - They also commit this by advocating on behalf of oil industries(drill baby drill?). Something they wouldn't do for scientific institutions.
    - They also commit it by accusing Democrats of being supportive of criminals, minorities on welfare etc.

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    In short, you have no idea what class "warfare" is. To you, the Reverend and others who pretend to know what it is, it's a cute soundbite. Nothing else. Class "warfare" is a game played by everybody in politics. Only Republicans seem to like accusing others of playing it while hypocritically playing along with it too.
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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Maybe the Reverend and others have no idea what class "warfare" actually means and like most ignorant Republicans he uses it whenever it suits him? Here, before you go on one of your boring ass diatribes:

    - Republicans commit class "warfare" by funding farmers subsidies. Something they would not do for small business owners in Harlem.
    Factually, this is incorrect.


    - They also commit this by advocating on behalf of oil industries(drill baby drill?). Something they wouldn't do for scientific institutions.
    The Good Reverend guesse you think poor people don't drive cars.


    - They also commit it by accusing Democrats of being supportive of criminals, minorities on welfare etc.

    The Good Reverend does not understand where this hyperbole is taking us.






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    In short, you have no idea what class "warfare" is. To you, the Reverend and others who pretend to know what it is, it's a cute soundbite. Nothing else. Class "warfare" is a game played by everybody in politics. Only Republicans seem to like accusing others of playing it while hypocritically playing along with it too.

    u mad bro?





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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Maybe the Reverend and others have no idea what class "warfare" actually means and like most ignorant Republicans he uses it whenever it suits him? Here, before you go on one of your boring ass diatribes:

    - Republicans commit class "warfare" by funding farmers subsidies. Something they would not do for small business owners in Harlem.
    Both recieve subsidies and neither side has taken any sort of actions to end either.

    - They also commit this by advocating on behalf of oil industries(drill baby drill?). Something they wouldn't do for scientific institutions.
    I don't believe it was a Republican argueing to end the space program.

    - They also commit it by accusing Democrats of being supportive of criminals, minorities on welfare etc.
    Are you saying they aren't supportive of these groups?

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    In short, you have no idea what class "warfare" is. To you, the Reverend and others who pretend to know what it is, it's a cute soundbite. Nothing else. Class "warfare" is a game played by everybody in politics. Only Republicans seem to like accusing others of playing it while hypocritically playing along with it too.[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Maybe the Reverend and others have no idea what class "warfare" actually means and like most ignorant Republicans he uses it whenever it suits him? Here, before you go on one of your boring ass diatribes:
    Don't like my "boring ass diatribes" then don't read them. Pretty simple solution.

    - Republicans commit class "warfare" by funding farmers subsidies. Something they would not do for small business owners in Harlem.
    What class is that they're committing warfare against? Is "Small buisness owner in harlem" a class of people? When loosening regulations on requirements for small businesses such as federal requirements regarding various types of leave or entitlement payouts, such as the amount of employees a business requires before being fined for not providing health insurance, have they been putting in an exemption that "if one lives in Harlem they are exempt from this action" that I have completed missed? When they've pushed for the lowering of taxes relating to small businesses is there an * in their proposals that I've just glossed over that says "Harlem business owners do not apply".

    or is this just more typical hautey "OMG THAT'S RACIST!" boring ass diatribes?

    - They also commit this by advocating on behalf of oil industries(drill baby drill?). Something they wouldn't do for scientific institutions.
    Yes, they advocate on behalf of the oil industry for reducing government regulation. They've also advocated on behalf of the coal and gas industry for reducing government regulation. They've advocated on behalf of the nuclear industry for reducing government regulation. They generally advocate for the reduction of government regulation on energy.

    Exactly what class is that they're warring against?

    - They also commit it by accusing Democrats of being supportive of criminals, minorities on welfare etc.
    I will give you that, the Republicans do commit class warfare against the felon class. They do generally attempt to make criminals look like bad people for the fact that they're felons, you're correct.

    The closest thing to class warfare in the context that's being talked about, IE the lower, middle, and upper class, would be in regards to thier efforts against welfare and those who obtain money off it. When they go for the argument less about the financial implications or the constitutional relevency of it but rather than "welfare" recipients are just lazy do nothings that mooch off the government, they are absolutely playing class warfare. And that's wrong of them when they approach it that way.

    How exactly does that excuse the Democrats doing it though? "Mommy Mommy! He did it too!" Yeah, wonderful, they can both be jackasses...however, one sides jackassery is actually significantly relevant to the current conversation. There are far more right now calling for taxes on the "greedy rich people" who have "More than they need" then there are those saying "stop paying welfare to the lazy do nothings".

    Only Republicans seem to like accusing others of playing it while hypocritically playing along with it too.
    Sorry to bust up your boring ass diatribe hautey, but Republicans aren't the only ones who accuse the other side of doing it. Democrats do it just as much and are doing it in this thread, they just may not use the word. Everytime they accuse the Republicans of just looking out for the wealthy, only looking out for the wealthy, only caring about the wealthy, not caring about the poor, not worrying about the poor, etc they are stating that the Republicans are engaging in class warfare by attacking or defending only one side. Just because people like Disney aren't directly saying the words doesn't make their accusations of Republicans playing class warfare by going off "the backs of the elderly and the poor" any less present.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Both recieve subsidies and neither side has taken any sort of actions to end either.
    Yes, Republicans advocate for subsidies to farmers. Democrats give subsidies to small business owners in the inner cities.

    I don't believe it was a Republican argueing to end the space program.
    House Republicans cut funding to UN climate science body | Environment | guardian.co.uk
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    Are you saying they aren't supportive of these groups?
    If minorities were the only people on welfare, but the percentage of people who are on welfare is pretty much spread between millions of whites, millions of blacks, hispanics etc. However Republicans only seem to focus on the minorities who are on welfare.
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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

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