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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Reading further....12 billion in income 32 billion in committed spending.

    Something is seriously wrong with this picture. If it means we must actually take serious actions to address this picture, I'm all for it.

    We definately should take the hit now so others don't continually have to for years to come.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    So I'm reading through this and I came to this.

    –Treasury picking winners and losers

    THey have been doing this for years. It's part of what got us into this mess.
    That's hardly the point...

    Look, regardless of the mess our budget is in, the fact is that once the Treasury starts being unable to meet all of its obligations, there's gonna be some serious hurt. I'm not saying this as a partisan or a liberal, I'm saying this as a pragmatic realist.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Unfortunately Republicans aren't proposing a balanced budget. They are proposing more debt. If there were a Republican President, Senate and House they would be raising the debt limit. So what is this all about?

    Raise the debt limit. Don't raise the debt limit. None of it will help Americans. Squabbling over a speck on a pile of ..... I really don't like Democrats, but Republicans have crossed over into the realm of the absurd.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Reading further....12 billion in income 32 billion in committed spending.

    Something is seriously wrong with this picture. If it means we must actually take serious actions to address this picture, I'm all for it.

    We definately should take the hit now so others don't continually have to for years to come.
    That's probably just for a single day. Although I admit the larger picture isn't much better. Hey, I agree we have a spending problem and a huge deficit problem. But you don't chop your dick off in order to keep yourself from getting STD's.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's hardly the point...

    Look, regardless of the mess our budget is in, the fact is that once the Treasury starts being unable to meet all of its obligations, there's gonna be some serious hurt. I'm not saying this as a partisan or a liberal, I'm saying this as a pragmatic realist.
    We've asked for it. We can not continue making promises our politicians can not provide.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    "Eric don't call my bluff. I'm going to the American people on this,"
    Good of him to admit he's bluffing. Whoops.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC View Post
    Unfortunately Republicans aren't proposing a balanced budget. They are proposing more debt. If there were a Republican President, Senate and House they would be raising the debt limit. So what is this all about?
    And Obama would be saying "No". We've already been there.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's probably just for a single day. Although I admit the larger picture isn't much better. Hey, I agree we have a spending problem and a huge deficit problem. But you don't chop your dick off in order to keep yourself from getting STD's.
    You also don't put off the cure. We already have the STD.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    I agree. Let's hope he doesn't. The GOP will get the blame. And they deserve it.
    Cool... I'd happily take the blame. The more the better.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    You also don't put off the cure.
    cure can be found in other ways. If the American people, at large, are serious about the problem, then I believe it'll be solved.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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