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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    1Perry, you really need to realize that absolutism/extremism is not the answer.

    We can mince words all we want, but at the end of the day, there is really no point for you to even come on DP if all you're doing is telling everyone they're wrong. The point of a debate, in this context, is to come to some sort of a compromise, and you completely undermine that fundamental. You're a lot like Cantor, in this respect, and you don't realize that what you're saying, if implemented, would devastate the lives of millions of Americans, and through extension, hundreds of millions of people.
    No, the point of debate is to first define the problems you are debating. The problems are many, convoluted, and disparitive, and this is why our media, with tacit approval from our politicians, are so easily able to confuse the masses. We have a spending problem, we have a increase in federal government problem, we have an unemployment problem, we have a welfare problem, we have entitlement problems, we have a regulatory problem, we have confusion over the division of government responsibility problem, we have a subsidy problem, we have a corruption problem.. The list is immense and no single solution will fix it all, and I fear that both factions of the federal government are trying to band-aid it all at once with these talks. In the instant issue, the debt, we need to make a stand at one of these problems, and that is spending.. It has to stop NOW.. It's time to cut, NOT spend, and any deal that increases the debt ceiling is a losing proposition for our futures.


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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post

    In the instant issue, the debt, we need to make a stand at one of these problems, and that is spending.. It has to stop NOW.. It's time to cut, NOT spend, and any deal that increases the debt ceiling is a losing proposition for our futures.

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    Hi Tim. How come Conservatives didn't feel this way back in the 2000's when Bush and the Republican-led Congress were generating record-setting deficits for years, increasing the debt ceiling repeatedly, and on their way to nearly doubling the debt?

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Hi Tim. How come Conservatives didn't feel this way back in the 2000's when Bush and the Republican-led Congress were generating record-setting deficits for years, increasing the debt ceiling repeatedly, and on their way to nearly doubling the debt?
    Because they wanted to be like Liberals, gather more control, consolidate more power and expand government because they thought they could out liberal the liberals. Oh how wrong they are/were...
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post

    A drop in the ocean. I've seen the total U.S. debt obligation between 50 Trillion and 60 Trillion dollars depending on what source is being used and when the numbers were collected. Even with 14 Trillion in debt as of today, the 2.3 Trillion in "deep cuts" over the next 10 years, the U.S. will have added 5x that amount of debt.
    Ok, so it's not that Democrats haven't compromised, it's that Democrats have not compromised enough to satisfy you.

    Still, they compromised.

    Where is that on the Republican side of the aisle?

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post

    Because they wanted to be like Liberals, gather more control, consolidate more power and expand government because they thought they could out liberal the liberals. Oh how wrong they are/were...
    Conservatives wanted to be like Liberals? Since when??

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Hi Tim. How come Conservatives didn't feel this way back in the 2000's when Bush and the Republican-led Congress were generating record-setting deficits for years, increasing the debt ceiling repeatedly, and on their way to nearly doubling the debt?
    Right you are, Ken! I do wonder.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Ok, so it's not that Democrats haven't compromised, it's that Democrats have not compromised enough to satisfy you.
    A very nice strawman... congratulations!



    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    Still, they compromised.

    Where is that on the Republican side of the aisle?
    So where's the specifics of medicare and social security compromises that are, according to Obama, on the table? Oh, that's right... there are no specifics.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Not really worried about a shutdown at this time. Have been 17 shutdowns since 1976 ranging from 1 day to 21 days. We managed to get through them and prosper with no damage. Some of you were probably born within the last 35 yrs. and the memory of them are absent.

    When bluffing, never let your opponent know you are bluffing. Typical mistake of an novice.

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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Conservatives wanted to be like Liberals? Since when??
    I think you identified the "when" ---


    way back in the 2000's when Bush and the Republican-led Congress were generating record-setting deficits for years
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

    Has Obama already cut 500 B from medicare? Oh, it was to help pay for Obamacare.

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