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    Re: Bachmann pledges to ban pornography

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    That ignores my point entirely, whether your generalization is accurate or inaccurate. The philosophy of liberals is not inherently dishonest or hypocritical; they are up front about believing that they think the government can and should provide certain services for its citizens. The philosophy of many conservatives (such as Bachmann, or our previous POTUS, George W. Bush) IS disingenuous. Bachmann claims that any action by government is an intrusion on our freedoms..........and then she signs a pledge that wants to somehow control pornography, of all the things unimportant things one could target.
    She wants to CONTROL not to BAN pornography there is a difference.

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    Re: Bachmann pledges to ban pornography

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    She wants to CONTROL not to BAN pornography there is a difference.
    I never said she wanted to ban it. She still wants to control it, which would involve government intervention. Again, we're talking about a politician whose #1 message is that government is bad. Obama wants the government to control certain aspects of the health care market, a far more consequential issue than pornography, and she considers it socialism. But when it's something that will rile up her evangelical base, government intervention is the right solution? I call bull****. Be consistent in your philosophy or I can't take you seriously.

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    Re: Bachmann pledges to ban pornography

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    And you believe that corporations should be in charge of your fate?
    As opposed to what... GOVERNMENT? Hell yeah... there's a whole lot of corporations to choose from, only one government, and we all know how well that government works now don't we.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Bachmann pledges to ban pornography

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually it does not. Look at the list, notice they all hold something in common. It's talking about being in porn, and it is talking about with that point, children.

    What is hilarious is that as vile as this document is, the one that got people up in arms...porn. This is a document which claims that marriage is a great thing and should be encouraged, except for a certain group of people who are bad. This is a document which calls homosexuality a form of promiscuity. This is a document which puts women in the same category as children. This is a document which calls for a constitutional amendment to ensure that gays cannot get married.

    And you are worried about them wanting to protect children from being in porn.
    Leave it to the bloggers to run wild with something. I agree with you a 100%
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    Re: Bachmann pledges to ban pornography

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    And you believe that corporations should be in charge of your fate?
    By in control of my fate do you mean from my salary to how many different flavors of Alfredo sauce there are in the grocery store HELL YEAH.

    I don't believe in planned economies nor do I think the government is better at doing most anything but police/military/courts than the private sector.

    I don't see the benefit to the porn industry or its consumers of having the government involved at all.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Bachmann pledges to ban pornography

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    "I want my candidacy for the presidency to stand for the moment when "we the people" reclaimed our independence from a government that has gotten too big, spends too much and has taken away too much of our liberty."

    - Michele Bachmann's presidential campaign launch

    This is my problem with conservatives. They say they're for less government involvement, but they're really just for less government involvement in areas they don't like.
    Pledges tend to mean very little in political reality.
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    Re: Bachmann pledges to ban pornography

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    I never said she wanted to ban it. She still wants to control it, which would involve government intervention. Again, we're talking about a politician whose #1 message is that government is bad. Obama wants the government to control certain aspects of the health care market, a far more consequential issue than pornography, and she considers it socialism. But when it's something that will rile up her evangelical base, government intervention is the right solution? I call bull****. Be consistent in your philosophy or I can't take you seriously.
    People aren't consistent. You have to live with those paradoxes, or honestly, I really can't take you seriously.
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    Re: Bachmann pledges to ban pornography

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I thought leftists were promiscuous and had no respect for monogamy. Which is it?
    Yep.That too!

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    Re: Bachmann pledges to ban pornography

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    People aren't consistent. You have to live with those paradoxes, or honestly, I really can't take you seriously.
    Okay, don't then

    I expect a certain degree of consistency of people. I am not saying I lose respect over a mild flip-flop or a bit of pandering. But when someone's entire philosophy is "GOVERNMENT IS BAD" and then they support stuff like this, it's a bridge too far for me. (Not that I would have supported Bachmann anyway, for multiple reasons. But something like this sure makes me respect her a lot less.) I guess we have different standards by which we judge our leaders, and if you can't take me seriously because of it, so be it, I'll probably be able to sleep at night anyway.

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    Re: Bachmann pledges to ban pornography

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Let me ask you this. Can you see room for improvement? That would be his game.
    That's unlikely.

    He said he learned his leadership skills by campaigning for President so there doesn't seem to be any room for improvement. Unless you're talking the possibility of jobs which include a shovel.

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