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Mass Murder in Michigan

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Just saw a sketchy report on the local news (Channel Five, NBC, Cincinnati at 6.26 PM EDST) Apparently seven dead, gun man on the loose.
 
Just saw a sketchy report on the local news (Channel Five, NBC, Cincinnati at 6.26 PM EDST) Apparently seven dead, gun man on the loose.


If they didn't have such strict gun laws up there, the crime rate would drop.:skull2:
 
If they didn't have such strict gun laws up there, the crime rate would drop.

I think it has more to do with the economic decay in that state. Gun laws aren't that bad up there...it's a hunting state.
 
If you will notice, though, in the states where Conceal and Carry has passed. violent crime dropped drastically.
 
If they didn't have such strict gun laws up there, the crime rate would drop.

Oh for god's sake. It's Michigan, where there is a gun in almost every home. It's in Grand Rapids, which has a rate of .06 murder per 1000 people, which just happens to be the exact national average. Having lived ost of my life either within an hour of Grand Rapids, and several years actually in GR, I can tell you for a fact that murder is rare, much safer than most cities it's size. Last year, there where 10 murders in Grand Rapids.

It's a good idea before making random uninformed comments to check out and see if maybe they will appear really stupid when compared with facts.

Edit: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gVaXh1rRJ-RuRAbfOXqUVsA8izmw?docId=684462df6d9f45429e9a9d7571db00ae

Sorry for delay, got sidetracked by the stupidity.
 
If you will notice, though, in the states where Conceal and Carry has passed. violent crime dropped drastically.

NYC has a much lower murder rate than many cities in Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, and California. ALL states with much more leniant gun-restrictions.

Hell, Charlotte NC and Dallas TX both have higher murder rates, than Bloomberg's gun-grabbing NYC.

:)
 
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Any one care to comment on the actual story?

Seven people dead, including a child. Suspect is identified and a search is on. Nothing like this has happened in my memory in GR.
 
I have family there...very sad that this is happening.
 
any motive yet?

I think yes, but it's not been released.

OK, local TV has some more details: Police: Seven shot dead in two GR homes | WOOD TV8

relative of Dantzler said he was recently released from prison and very distraught.

He was convicted of assault with intent to do great bodily harm in 2000, records show, and a relative said he may be bipolar and off his medication.

He may be responsible for all seven deaths, investigators said.

The area of the two incidents are not high crime areas at all, in fact Brynell Court is pretty nice. I used to live about 5 miles from there.
 
The video on the WOOD TV link is excellent by the way.
 
I can't find anything about this story online. Obviously, murders are so common there due to their strict gun laws that the papers don't even bother to print the stories any more.

If only the child had had a kid sized pistol in his sock, all this could have been avoided.





Note to the sarcasmically challenged.... yes, that was.
 
From the earlier link and update:

Police are in the process of chasing Rodric Dantzler, who was tracked to an area in Alpine Township and then merged onto U.S. 131. Witnesses said a civilian was shot in the area of Fulton and Division, as well.

Not sure if that is now an 8th victim. Really really bad neighborhood.
 
The suspect has recently been released from prison. Thus he was a convicted felon and convicted felons are banned by federal law from owning any type of firearm. Meaning a complete ban on this guy owning a gun didn't stop him but then again neither did the consequences of committing 7 counts of first degree murder. I don't know if Michigan has the death penalty but he was facing the most severe punishment possible in that state
 
The suspect has recently been released from prison. Thus he was a convicted felon and convicted felons are banned by federal law from owning any type of firearm.

probably bought a gun from someone who sold it to him illegally, from in-state or out-of-state.

or he just went to a local gun show and was able to buy whatever he wanted.
 
probably bought a gun from someone who sold it to him illegally, from in-state or out-of-state.

or he just went to a local gun show and was able to buy whatever he wanted.

Just like he could buy completely banned crack cocaine or marijuana

all gun laws do is to make guys like this have a higher likelihood of killing lots of people

only a fool thinks that a gun ban would be any more effective than the ban on cocaine is in ending the use of that stuff.

a gun ban is even more futile for several reasons

guns last at least 100 years if they aren't allowed to rust

there are 300 million guns-mostly unregistered in the USA

even if guns are banned police and military lose thousands a year through theft stupidity and illegal sales to others
 
NYC has a much lower murder rate than many cities in Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, and California. ALL states with much more leniant gun-restrictions.

Hell, Charlotte NC and Dallas TX both have higher murder rates, than Bloomberg's gun-grabbing NYC.

:)

While your statement is at least partially true (Charlotte NC has a murder rate of about 11.2, while NYC is 6.3), it is not the whole story.

Chicago, which virtually bans private handgun ownership, has a murder rate of 16 per 100k. Chicago is three times as deadly as NYC and twice as violent as LA | Chicago Muckrakers

Washington DC, with draconian gun laws, has a murder rate of 31 per 100k for 2008, the same year I looked at for the other stats.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/dccrime.htm


Telling half the story isn't telling the whole story.
 
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Based on the details, it sounds like the system has failed. It puts so many people in jail yet releases a guy like this without sufficient medical supervision? I know, I know... it's easy to criticize as an outsider to the situation, but I can't help it. Someone who has a record of causing bodily harm and who is known to be bipolar really needs to have an eye kept on him, no?

That's assuming he did this, which appears likely.
 
I think it has more to do with the economic decay in that state. Gun laws aren't that bad up there...it's a hunting state.

Either way, you can blame this on the Libbos.
 
the NYC stats prove that lesser gun-laws does not neccessarily mean lower crime.

And stricter gun laws do not mean less crime either.
 
And stricter gun laws do not mean less crime either.

and that is why gun haters always lose the debate. the ONLY POSSIBLE LEGITIMATE argument for gun bans or restrictive gun laws is to promote public safety

and us pro gun advocates can honestly say that freedom trumps increases in public safety so even if the gun haters prove their one argument they still don't win. But since the evidence is ambivalent at best, the arguments for more gun control necessarily fail any objective test
 
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