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    Re: BMW layoffs exemplify the evisceration of the middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Exactly. I can't understand how people can defend the indefensible. I'm assuming it's because none of their friends, family or loved ones were employed by BMW.
    Myself, my family and my friends are employed in the oil and gas industry. I don't see you shedding any tears for us, since the government ****ed with our jobs.

    In fact, I've been called an, "oil company shill", for speaking out against the government imposed drilling ban.

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    Re: BMW layoffs exemplify the evisceration of the middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Myself, my family and my friends are employed in the oil and gas industry. I don't see you shedding any tears for us, since the government ****ed with our jobs.

    In fact, I've been called an, "oil company shill", for speaking out against the government imposed drilling ban.
    And I'm sure you've never used a similar term for anyone who favors the ban for environmental reasons. Nope. Never.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: BMW layoffs exemplify the evisceration of the middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Truckstop View Post
    The one thing we do know is that if we would have taxed the hell out of the doctors and lawyers and other such rich people bmw would have never laid these people off.


    Sure they would cause those evil rich bastards would stop buying our bmw's.
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    Re: BMW layoffs exemplify the evisceration of the middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Sure they would cause those evil rich bastards would stop buying our bmw's.
    Yes, a 3% increase in taxes on income over $250k/year would definitely prevent someone from buying a BMW!
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: BMW layoffs exemplify the evisceration of the middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, a 3% increase in taxes on income over $250k/year would definitely prevent someone from buying a BMW!


    I might not get the M6, just another 650.


    I always find it funny, Let me ask you, what percent of the population makes over $250k. And this is for couples no?
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    Re: BMW layoffs exemplify the evisceration of the middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, a 3% increase in taxes on income over $250k/year would definitely prevent someone from buying a BMW!
    Good lord! I hadn't thought of it that way!! I am Deeply Ashamed I didn't think things through.

    Deeply.

    /me hangs head

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    Re: BMW layoffs exemplify the evisceration of the middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I might not get the M6, just another 650.


    I always find it funny, Let me ask you, what percent of the population makes over $250k. And this is for couples no?
    Around 3% if I remember right, although I've always thought the 250k mark is arbitrary and oversimplified. Somehow it became the magic number for everything.
    What is this relevant to?

    If you can't afford the M6 on 250k/year, you're feeding your kids too much
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: BMW layoffs exemplify the evisceration of the middle class

    I do not know the situation, I do know that Japanese automotive companies in Canada and America specifically have very good benefits, start you out at around $15/hr at least (topping out at around $30) and many have free to very cheap health care. They all do profit sharing as well to some degree. The downside is that the Japanese companies will work you for very long weeks, sometimes 60 hours, and the work can drop off to part-time. However, it is non-union, and the Japanese companies do fine. I think if it works for some companies such as Toyota it should be a model for the business. It sucks sometimes, but every pay day I don't seem to mind it as much. In some instances though where conditions are far more dangerous and abuse can be easily done by the company such as coal mining, power plants, sanitary workers, oil and gas workers, etc I still believe unions hold a great firm place and are essential to the survival of the businesses.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: BMW layoffs exemplify the evisceration of the middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Exactly when this happened is probably found in another study..... but it has happened.

    Excerpted from Power in American, Wealth, Income and Power. G. William Domhoff

    Who Rules America: Wealth, Income, and Power

    Income inequality in other countries

    The degree of income inequality in the United States can be compared to that in other countries on the basis of the Gini coefficient, a mathematical ratio that allows economists to put all countries on a scale with values that range (hypothetically) from zero (everyone in the country has the same income) to 100 (one person in the country has all the income). On this widely used measure, the United States ends up 95th out of the 134 countries that have been studied -- that is, only 39 of the 134 countries have worse income inequality. The U.S. has a Gini index of 45.0; Sweden is the lowest with 23.0, and South Africa is near the top with 65.0.

    The table that follows displays the scores for 22 major countries, along with their ranking in the longer list of 134 countries that were studied (most of the other countries are very small and/or very poor). In examining this table, remember that it does not measure the same thing as Table 4 earlier in this document, which was about the wealth distribution. Here we are looking at the income distribution, so the two tables won't match up as far as rankings. That's because a country can have a highly concentrated wealth distribution and still have a more equal distribution of income due to high taxes on top income earners and/or high minimum wages -- both Switzerland and Sweden follow this pattern. So one thing that's distinctive about the U.S. compared to other industrialized democracies is that both its wealth and income distributions are highly concentrated.

    and, of course, the result... Third world countries have little to no middle class, which is where the US is headed.



    Table 7: Income equality in selected countries
    Country/Overall Rank Gini Coefficient

    1. Sweden 23.0
    2. Norway 25.0
    8. Austria 26.0
    10. Germany 27.0
    17. Denmark 29.0
    25. Australia 30.5
    34. Italy 32.0
    35. Canada 32.1
    37. France 32.7
    42. Switzerland 33.7
    43. United Kingdom 34.0
    45. Egypt 34.4
    56. India 36.8
    61. Japan 38.1
    68. Israel 39.2
    81. China 41.5
    82. Russia 42.3
    90. Iran 44.5
    93. United States 45.0
    107. Mexico 48.2
    125. Brazil 56.7
    133. South Africa 65.0


    Note: These figures reflect family/household income, not individual income.
    Source: Central Intelligence Agency (2010).
    I'm guessing the far-right's response to these facts regarding income inequality in the US will either be to deny them, or say who cares. Let's see if that is the case.,
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    Re: BMW layoffs exemplify the evisceration of the middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And I'm sure you've never used a similar term for anyone who favors the ban for environmental reasons. Nope. Never.
    The problem is, the so called, "environmental reasons", are bull****.

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