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    AFRICOM: AF, Navy still flying Libya missions

    AFRICOM: AF, Navy still flying Libya missions

    AFRICOM: AF, Navy still flying Libya missions - Air Force News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Air Force Times

    Air Force and Navy aircraft are still flying hundreds of strike missions over Libya despite the Obama administration’s claim that American forces are playing only a limited support role in the NATO operation.

    An Africa Command (AFRICOM) spokeswoman confirmed Wednesday that since NATO’s Operation Unified Protector (OUP) took over from the American-led Operation Odyssey Dawn on March 31, the U.S. military has flown hundreds of strike sorties. Previously, Washington had claimed that it was mostly providing intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) and tanker support to NATO forces operating over Libya


    What is our mission here? what is our goal? where is our "exit strategy"? Is this a war for Oil?


    Where are the folks who were so vocal in regards to Iraq on this mission?
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    Re: AFRICOM: AF, Navy still flying Libya missions

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    What is our mission here? what is our goal? where is our "exit strategy"? Is this a war for Oil?


    Where are the folks who were so vocal in regards to Iraq on this mission?
    You obviously posted this because Obama is black and you're racist. Why don't you focus on real problems wight here in America!!! Like HUGE DEFICIT TO GIVE RICH OIL COMPANIES TAX BREAKS EH! What about all the poor people being forced to worry if they'll get food, or money if the REPUBLICANS DON'T stop acting like children and agree to taxing people who can afford to pay so that little children and old people aren't left in the street and dying!

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    Re: AFRICOM: AF, Navy still flying Libya missions

    Upon further review...

    Did you guys ever think to do a closer examination of the two AF and Navy aircraft mentioned in the article?

    This from the article:

    “U.S. aircraft continue to fly support [ISR and refueling] missions, as well as strike sorties under NATO tasking,” AFRICOM spokeswoman Nicole Dalrymple said in an emailed statement. “As of today, and since 31 March, the U.S. has flown a total of 3,475 sorties in support of OUP. Of those, 801 were strike sorties, 132 of which actually dropped ordnance.”

    A White House report on Libya sent to Congress on June 15 says that “American strikes are limited to the suppression of enemy air defense and occasional strikes by unmanned Predator UAVs against a specific set of targets.” The report also says the U.S. provides an “alert strike package.”

    Dalrymple named the Air Force’s F-16CJ and Navy’s EA-18G Growler electronic attack aircraft as the primary platforms that have been suppressing enemy air defenses.
    Now, let's look at the offensive profile of these aircraft starting with the Navy's EA-18G Growler.

    Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses: The EA-18G will counter enemy air defenses using both reactive and pre-emptive jamming techniques.

    Stand-off and Escort Jamming: The EA-18G will be highly effective in the traditional stand-off jamming mission, but with the speed and agility of a Super Hornet, it will also be effective in the escort role.

    Non-Traditional Electronic Attack: Dramatically enhanced situational awareness and uninterrupted communications will enable the EA-18G to achieve a higher degree of integration with ground operations than has been previously achievable.

    Self-protect and Time-Critical Strike Support: With its Advanced Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, digital data links and air-to-air missiles, the EA-18G will have self-protection capability and will also be effective for target identification and prosecution.
    Now, the Air Force's F-16CJ:

    In an air combat role, the F-16's maneuverability and combat radius (distance it can fly to enter air combat, stay, fight and return) exceed that of all potential threat fighter aircraft. It can locate targets in all weather conditions and detect low flying aircraft in radar ground clutter. In an air-to-surface role, the F-16 can fly more than 500 miles (860 kilometers), deliver its weapons with superior accuracy, defend itself against enemy aircraft, and return to its starting point. An all-weather capability allows it to accurately deliver ordnance during non-visual bombing conditions.
    If these aircraft are being deployed to strike against air-to-ground missle defenses as the article eludes to, I don't see a problem with their usage because they would be adhering to the U.N. Resolutions agreed upon. However, if they are attacking Libyan military personnel, then we have a problem. According to the article, there is no evidence to support that U.S. military air craft have been used to attack Libyan military forces.

    I call the article as .
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    Re: AFRICOM: AF, Navy still flying Libya missions

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    If these aircraft are being deployed to strike against air-to-ground missle defenses as the article eludes to, I don't see a problem with their usage because they would be adhering to the U.N. Resolutions agreed upon. However, if they are attacking Libyan military personnel, then we have a problem. According to the article, there is no evidence to support that U.S. military air craft have been used to attack Libyan military forces.

    I call the article as .
    Do you really think that all those defenses Libya has is unmanned?

    And think of it like this...If some other country did the same thing that the US is doing...would we consider that an act of war? If you answer "Yes" then what we are doing is obviously considered war. And Obama still does not have Congressional approval to be in a war in Libya. As such he is in violation of the WPA. He should be impeached.
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    Re: AFRICOM: AF, Navy still flying Libya missions

    Whatever sorties the U.S. is flying, and whatever bombs we're dropping, and whatever drones are launching missiles... it's one thing: Not hostile.
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    Re: AFRICOM: AF, Navy still flying Libya missions

    well.... duh?



    wait.



    no one here actually thought anyone in Europe had a military, did they?

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    Re: AFRICOM: AF, Navy still flying Libya missions

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well.... duh?



    wait.



    no one here actually thought anyone in Europe had a military, did they?
    Europe has a military?
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    Re: AFRICOM: AF, Navy still flying Libya missions

    people (read, people in the administration) find it convenient to pretend they do - that way "It Being NATO's Mission" doesn't just mean "US Forces Will Be Doing All The Lifting, But With An Extra Layer of Bureaucratic Bull****"

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    Re: AFRICOM: AF, Navy still flying Libya missions

    I always find it funny when I hear something like: The United States has passed the heavy lifting onto NATO.

    Meaning - we passed it off to ourselves. But I guess there is a majority of people out there who are voters who actually think that NATO is not primarily the U.S., and that some British or European military machine is now in charge.
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    Re: AFRICOM: AF, Navy still flying Libya missions

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    What is our mission here? what is our goal? where is our "exit strategy"? Is this a war for Oil?


    Where are the folks who were so vocal in regards to Iraq on this mission?
    Hmm, Rev, weren't you the one chastising the President at the beginning of all of this for having less balls than France?
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