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    Re: Harvard: July 4th Parades Are Right-Wing

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    waving a flag or watching a parade does not equal patriotism.
    But to many conservatives, it does.
    And if you dont wave your flag or attend these parades, you are anti-American.

    You dont need to wear your patriotism on your sleeve. Doing this does NOTHING.

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    Re: Harvard: July 4th Parades Are Right-Wing

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    But to many conservatives, it does.
    And if you dont wave your flag or attend these parades, you are anti-American.

    You dont need to wear your patriotism on your sleeve. Doing this does NOTHING.
    The issue seems to stem from perceived...elitism....or attributing a lower set of characteristics onto someone else with these events, these gestures. Either side feels like there is unjustified self-aggrandizement going on.

    I think to some people waving the flags is thus patriotism, but I think a lot of people are merely suggesting that the act of waving a flag is an expression of patriotism and also should not be scoffed at (the patriotism on one's sleeve comment, for example). During the counter-culture years-and its current residual effects in small pockets of American political life, the American political left had to answer to a lot of uneasy questions and associations (justified or no).

    Meanwhile a lot of liberals, who are simply living their lives like anyone else, are justified in asking those on the political right on what justified grounds are they legitimately associated with unpatriotic behavior or sentiment.
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    Re: Harvard: July 4th Parades Are Right-Wing

    Better be some fireworks here in DC... 4th of July is fun. I felt slightly weird spending the last one in Canada. Went to Toronto to see a concert.
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    Re: Harvard: July 4th Parades Are Right-Wing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The issue seems to stem from perceived...elitism....or attributing a lower set of characteristics onto someone else with these events, these gestures. Either side feels like there is unjustified self-aggrandizement going on.

    I think to some people waving the flags is thus patriotism, but I think a lot of people are merely suggesting that the act of waving a flag is an expression of patriotism and also should not be scoffed at (the patriotism on one's sleeve comment, for example). During the counter-culture years-and its current residual effects in small pockets of American political life, the American political left had to answer to a lot of uneasy questions and associations (justified or no).

    Meanwhile a lot of liberals, who are simply living their lives like anyone else, are justified in asking those on the political right on what justified grounds are they legitimately associated with unpatriotic behavior or sentiment.


    Someone had this as their sig. Im not sure if it was here at DP or somewhere else, but im a strong believer in it:

    Patriotism is not waving a flag, it's living an idea.
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    Re: Harvard: July 4th Parades Are Right-Wing

    To me, being a patriot isn't about waving a flag, although it could be. No, to me as a Canadian Citizen living in the United States of America, it means something else. To me I will always love the country of my birth, and I would defend her against all enemies, but I also love the USA, and would defend her as well. So it seems that partiotism is more about living the idea, or the deep seeded, most heart felt understanding that you really are part of something special, and that this something is worth even your life to protect. That doesn't mean you have to be a liberal, or conservative, or democrat or republican. It's not a label, it's a state of being.


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    Re: Harvard: July 4th Parades Are Right-Wing

    does this mean that when this news gets out to the liberal masses they will be attacking Independance Day like they do CHIRSTmas

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    Re: Harvard: July 4th Parades Are Right-Wing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yeah, this was not the sort of thread I was expecting, but nevertheless surprising.

    Democrats need to change that image, and have done some slow progress toward that goal of appearing more celebratory of the American heritage and its exceptionalism.
    Dems have tried to flip in the Patriotism switch, but their definition of Patriotism is slightly different. Paying large taxes is patriotic. They have a Patriotic Flag Burning Office.

    After 911 the left flipped the Patriotism switch, after decades of hostility to our military, and intel services. Then they turned it off because they could see it was getting them nowhere.

    Dems malign our Founding Fathers.

    They have a huge hurdle to jump to be considered a Patriotic party.



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    They have a huge hurdle to jump to be considered a Patriotic party.
    Only if you consider patriotism to be a jingoistic kneejerk sort of neo fascism.
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    Re: Harvard: July 4th Parades Are Right-Wing

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    Only if you consider patriotism to be a jingoistic kneejerk sort of neo fascism.
    I don't.

    You cannot piss all over Patriotism and then turn around and expect people to believe you are patriotic.

    You cannot have representatives vote to send soldiers to war, and then stab them in the back when they need your support most. In's not only unpatriotic what the Left in Congress and their vile followers pulled (except Liebermann), it was treasonous... disgusting.

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    Re: Harvard: July 4th Parades Are Right-Wing

    I have seen where the environmentally ill don't want fireworks because it pollutes the air and at the beach rthe Oceans.

    They have banned Smoking, and drinking on San Diego Beaches now so many want to ban celebrations on the 4th it's sad.

    They will allow anything Illegals want for Cinco De Mayo BS .

    You would think this is Christmas, the way they act.

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