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    Re: ObamaCare Puts Big Dent in Hiring

    From the article:

    “I know for a fact that the mandates in ObamaCare are discouraging the creation of new jobs,” said Tennessee GOP Sen. Lamar Alexander, the third-highest-ranking member of the Senate Republican leadership. “And I will be specific. I met with the chief executives of the chain restaurants in America, who are the largest employer in America after the federal government—especially of those who are low-income.”
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    The same CBO report found that approximately 650,000 mainly lower-paid and lower-skilled workers could find themselves out of a job as a result of the health care law’s implementation during the second half of the decade.
    So, we are talking worst case scenario there will be less minimum wage jobs at joints like Burger King and Hardees due to the Healthcare Reform Bill. The article mentions no impact at all to any jobs other than very low wage jobs. For example, when my company had its annual healthcare coverage meeting this year, the topic of health care reform came up, and we were told that it was having no effect at all on our coverage or costs because the mandated coverage levels were far lower than what most companies provide their employees anyway.

    What is it with you hardcore right wingers? It seems the only jobs you guys care about are jobs that pay nothing to begin with. The fact is, a slave has a job. What people want are jobs that they can actually earn a living from.
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    Re: ObamaCare Puts Big Dent in Hiring

    I'm not one for conspiracy theories, in fact I think that most "conspiracies" are simply things are things working out at the end of a long formula: a+b+c+d=conspiracy. That being said, one has to wonder whether the Dems true play is and always has been to keep the workng man down while telling him that they are lifting him up. Consider the factions of policial power in the U.S. in terms of supporting bases. Races aside, you have class warfare to feed off of a powerful political tool. The Dem's squawk "It's the rich corporate man keeping you down working class! We have to go after the rich! It's thier fault you are poor!"

    Republicans on the other hand, appeal to the middle and upper classes (although Dem's also appeal to a portion of the upper class). So, it stands to reason that if working class people become middle class people through economic mobility, the Democrats stand to lose a powerbase. For anyone who supports liberal programs in their current state, please name one that actually works to provide upward mobility.

    Plain and simple the only thing that can allow an individual to reach beyond himself is putting a job in front of him, encouraging him to accel at his job, and then provide jobs to other people. Growth of the private sector is the key to employement, thus the key to class mobility and sustainability. I don't think that Dems purposefully keep people in holes, I believe in fact that they have a severe sincerity in trying to help people. But the only way they maintain their strongest voting base is with people in holes.

    Obamacare is simply another example on a system that burdens businesses almost as much as burdens individuals, and another tool to keep people in the garbage dump.
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    Re: ObamaCare Puts Big Dent in Hiring

    Quote Originally Posted by toddwv View Post
    High on rhetoric low on facts.

    Hey, I've talked to 3 business owners who said that they will be hiring people because of the healthcare reform. They'd hire even more if their were a single-payer option. Don't you just love how unsubstantiated hearsay works?
    Well that certainly settles it. Todd from W. VA. talked to 3 business owners that are going to hire because of ObamaCare. I'm thinkin no further evidence is required.

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    Re: ObamaCare Puts Big Dent in Hiring

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    The problem isn't socialist legislation, the problem is stupid legislation. Socialist legislation would have removed the burden of providing health care from businesses altogether.
    How so?.........

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    Re: ObamaCare Puts Big Dent in Hiring

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    There are a few things I question about this report, specifically because it comes from a website that in no way, shape, or form would never write a positive story about the healthcare bill.

    First it talks about how apparently this senator met with a bunch of "chain restaurants" and one of them said it ate into "all of their profits". I find that highly questionable.

    Next a guy claims that he went from 90 to 70 employees at one of his fast food stores. So perhaps this guy just has the busiest ****ing McDonalds in the world, but that would mean that every single shift he had at least 30 employees at a time, and now he "only" has 23-24 per shift? I have never worked at a McDonalds but if I had to guess, there is a manager, 2 on cash, 2 on drive thru, 4 on drive thru making food, 4 on in the store making food, 1 person doing fries, a clean up person, another manager, and then there would be a couple that just I guess stand around or prepare food?

    The rest of this is rhetoric, hearsay, and a bunch of Republicans and Republican funded organizations claiming that the health care act is killing America. Sorry, unimpressed.
    If the government makes it more expensive to hire and employee, companies are going to make-do with fewer employees. It ain't rocket science.

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    Re: ObamaCare Puts Big Dent in Hiring

    Quote Originally Posted by toddwv View Post
    High on rhetoric low on facts.

    Hey, I've talked to 3 business owners who said that they will be hiring people because of the healthcare reform. They'd hire even more if their were a single-payer option. Don't you just love how unsubstantiated hearsay works?
    Especially in your post.

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    Re: ObamaCare Puts Big Dent in Hiring

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    As usual for Socialist Legislation... they kick those most in need in the teeth when trying to "help" them.

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    Government forcing citizens to buy a private product is socialism.

    Anything else you'd like to redefine today?

    It's amazing the level of rhetoric that you feel you need to employ... When i oppose it also, but have well structured, decent argument which is that it is unconstitutional, and the commerce clause does not allow for something like this.

    But we are sorry to interrupt, now back to your regular scheduled partisan talking points programming.

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    Re: ObamaCare Puts Big Dent in Hiring

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Well, straw men and sarcasm definitely don't create jobs.
    If they did, we'd have no unemployment. Most of us would have two or three jobs, in fact.

    The problem with "Obamacare" is that it does not take the burden of providing health insurance from the employer, nor does it reduce costs. In fact, it may do just the opposite.

    Our expensive health care "system" is bankrupting individuals, employers, and the government. It is not sustainable for much longer. It already consumes more than twice as much as all federal government spending excluding health care spending, and is continuing to increase in cost.
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    Re: ObamaCare Puts Big Dent in Hiring

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If they did, we'd have no unemployment. Most of us would have two or three jobs, in fact.

    The problem with "Obamacare" is that it does not take the burden of providing health insurance from the employer, nor does it reduce costs. In fact, it may do just the opposite.

    Our expensive health care "system" is bankrupting individuals, employers, and the government. It is not sustainable for much longer. It already consumes more than twice as much as all federal government spending excluding health care spending, and is continuing to increase in cost.
    Exactly. Which is why the public option would have been better, and a single payer system better yet. What conservatives forget, IMHO, is that their efforts at fighting reform is what is most responsible for the poor bill we currently have. They could have tried to help by demonizing less, being more turthful and actually trying to forge something more effective.

    BTW, do we have any reason to think this artical is the comprehensive and final word on this?

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    Re: ObamaCare Puts Big Dent in Hiring

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Well that certainly settles it. Todd from W. VA. talked to 3 business owners that are going to hire because of ObamaCare. I'm thinkin no further evidence is required.

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    Personally I was rather shocked to read that ... I didn't think there were 3 successful liberal business owners in W. VA.

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