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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

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    As bolded. Can you see the difference.
    Do you think Obama is convinced that automation, such as ATM's, is what is keeping unemployment high?

    Do you think that Biden still believes that FDR got on television and talked people through the Great Depression?

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    And he is STILL not a founding father. Which is what she refused to admit. He's not a founding father.
    No he wasn't.
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

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    um, no he wasn't. He was born in 1767. When the Constitution was written, he was serving as an aid to his father.
    Yes, that is correct, I misread his DoB... should have realized that it was incorrect, understanding that he was voted President in 1824. Still, doesn't make him a founding father... not at all.

    Bachmann is correct to describe the Founders as she does - Washington educated his slaves and emancipated them upon his death. Many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were abolitionists, including Benjamin Rush, John Jay (a president of the Continental Congress), Alexander Hamilton, Aaron Burr and Benjamin Franklin. Even before there was a Constitution, the Founding Fathers prohibited slavery in the Northwest Territories (Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota and Wisconsin). Indeed, of the seven men most commonly named as the "Founding Fathers", five opposed slavery and the two who did own slaves were not very happy with it (those seven are John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and George Washington).
    If you take Bachman's comment about JQ and apply it to the founding fathers, it is not accurate. None of them worked "tirelessly" to make sure we one day eradicate slavery. JQ DID work that way, however, and was probably one of the, if not THE most tireless worker towards ending slavery in the legislature, if not of any public figure.
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Do you think Obama is convinced that automation, such as ATM's, is what is keeping unemployment high?

    Do you think that Biden still believes that FDR got on television and talked people through the Great Depression?
    And do you think any of this is relevant, including Bachman's error?
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

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    And do you think any of this is relevant, including Bachman's error?
    Only to the point that people criticizing Bachman are hypocrites. Look, this started when Bush took office (actually Reagan but anyway)....the monkey photos, he's stupid, and all that stuff. The left has a high regard for education, but if a conservative is educated, it doesn't matter. They will find gaffes and other things to somehow demonstrate that the conservative is too incompetent to run for or be in office. That's the way it works around here. Bachman has a Masters degree in Law, which Obama doesn't have. But it doesn't matter to the left, because she's a conservative. When Obama came along.....oh he's from Harvard, he's from Columbia......tingle up the leg....
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Only to the point that people criticizing Bachman are hypocrites. Look, this started when Bush took office (actually Reagan but anyway)....the monkey photos, he's stupid, and all that stuff. The left has a high regard for education, but if a conservative is educated, it doesn't matter. They will find gaffes and other things to somehow demonstrate that the conservative is too incompetent to run for or be in office. That's the way it works around here. Bachman has a Masters degree in Law, which Obama doesn't have. But it doesn't matter to the left, because she's a conservative. When Obama came along.....oh he's from Harvard, he's from Columbia......tingle up the leg....
    It works the other way, too. American. Some conservatives do the exact same thing. Personally, and I've said this lots of times before, especially recently, I think folks who do this on either side are hypocrites.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It works the other way, too. American. Some conservatives do the exact same thing. Personally, and I've said this lots of times before, especially recently, I think folks who do this on either side are hypocrites.
    The only time I do it (and that's often), is to either make a joke or point out hypocrisy. But gaffes will happen, and usually the errors are not the main point anyway.
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Only to the point that people criticizing Bachman are hypocrites. Look, this started when Bush took office (actually Reagan but anyway)....the monkey photos, he's stupid, and all that stuff. The left has a high regard for education, but if a conservative is educated, it doesn't matter. They will find gaffes and other things to somehow demonstrate that the conservative is too incompetent to run for or be in office. That's the way it works around here. Bachman has a Masters degree in Law, which Obama doesn't have. But it doesn't matter to the left, because she's a conservative. When Obama came along.....oh he's from Harvard, he's from Columbia......tingle up the leg....
    If she were a conservative who were not a pentecostal, holy roller who has full intentions of being raptured when the moment finally arrives, I'd have a lot less trouble with her.

    She regularly speaks from a place of ignorance. She's not a grace-based Christian, she's a hate-based Christian. She doesn't know how to admit when she's wrong.

    That's my starting point. I wouldn't care if she were from Harvard/Columbia if she still had the above going on.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    A gaffe and a misreading of history, but not of dramatic importance (for running, anyhow), though when you are running, you want to watch what you say carefully and get the history of the nation mostly solid for the masses.
    I will only find it amusing that those who do not read much history themselves will still stroke themselves in superiority to the woman, however.
    indeedy do.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    If she were a conservative who were not a pentecostal, holy roller who has full intentions of being raptured when the moment finally arrives, I'dHerman Cain have a lot less trouble with her.
    ah. so you look at pentecostals sort of in the way that Cain looks at Muslims?

    She regularly speaks from a place of ignorance. She's not a grace-based Christian, she's a hate-based Christian.
    I'm sorry, but you have neither the ability nor the authority to make that judgement.

    She doesn't know how to admit when she's wrong.
    a definite possibility.

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