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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    I think you'll find if you read through that article that her life isn't a chain of nepotism.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    My job around here is to point out the partisan hacks, hackish comments and positions, and hypocrisy... the last of which I demonstrated that you committed. Keeps me busy and off the streets.
    That's funny, I thought your job here was to be an unbiased moderator, not to derail threads by calling people hacks. Whatever.


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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, she absolutely positively is not an idiot. You don't get to where she's gotten by being an idiot, and this is no dumber than 57 states or inventing the Internet or any number of other gaffes uttered by top-ranking politicians on both sides of the isle over the years.

    My concern with this slip-up is the fact that she didn't go "whoops" or "what I'm trying to say is" or something like that. She just dug her heels in. I'm okay with that in a Congresscritter, but not so much with a President. I'm sure Presidents do that. I'm sure Obama does it. I'm just saying I don't like that in an executive figure.

    That said, I'm definitely going to vote for her if Palin doesn't run.



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    You sound confused. You say it's no different than the 57 states thing, then criticize her for not backing down. Obama made the 57 states remark after campaigning and traveling around the country nonstop. He was tired and misspoke. You don't honestly believe that Obama thinks there are 57 states, do you? Bachmann actually believes the crap she's selling. Now do you see the difference?


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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    You sound confused. You say it's no different than the 57 states thing, then criticize her for not backing down. Obama made the 57 states remark after campaigning and traveling around the country nonstop. He was tired and misspoke. You don't honestly believe that Obama thinks there are 57 states, do you? Bachmann actually believes the crap she's selling. Now do you see the difference?


    How about the "austrian"'language? Or "corps-man"?
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    You sound confused. You say it's no different than the 57 states thing, then criticize her for not backing down. Obama made the 57 states remark after campaigning and traveling around the country nonstop. He was tired and misspoke. You don't honestly believe that Obama thinks there are 57 states, do you? Bachmann actually believes the crap she's selling. Now do you see the difference?
    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    How about the "austrian"'language? Or "corps-man"?
    As bolded. Can you see the difference.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    You sound confused. You say it's no different than the 57 states thing, then criticize her for not backing down.
    What I'm saying is that if you make a stupid slip-up like that, the slip-up in and of itself should not be regarded as a sign you're an idiot. When you get caught on something like that, the right answer is, "Aw, ****, I guess I blew that one hur hur hur" or something of the sort. The correct response is not to dig your heels in and try to justify the answer by arguing how, if you squint and turn it on its side and shake it a couple of times, it sorta kinda seems right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Obama made the 57 states remark after campaigning and traveling around the country nonstop. He was tired and misspoke. You don't honestly believe that Obama thinks there are 57 states, do you? Bachmann actually believes the crap she's selling. Now do you see the difference?
    No, I don't think Obama believes there are 57 states. In the same vein, I think it's far more likely that Bachmann was trying to turn a gaffe into a sly win than it is that she believes what she was saying. I think she did the same when she hosed up where John Wayne was born (or something like that).
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    A gaffe and a misreading of history, but not of dramatic importance (for running, anyhow), though when you are running, you want to watch what you say carefully and get the history of the nation mostly solid for the masses.
    I will only find it amusing that those who do not read much history themselves will still stroke themselves in superiority to the woman, however.
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    stroke themselves
    Stroke themselves? Over Michelle Bachmann?














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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

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    That's funny, I thought your job here was to be an unbiased moderator, not to derail threads by calling people hacks. Whatever.
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And Bachman, a Presidential candidate, doesn't know that J.Q Adams was not only NOT a founding father, but was born LONG after the founding fathers founding this country.
    um, no he wasn't. He was born in 1767. When the Constitution was written, he was serving as an aid to his father.

    Bachmann is correct to describe the Founders as she does - Washington educated his slaves and emancipated them upon his death. Many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were abolitionists, including Benjamin Rush, John Jay (a president of the Continental Congress), Alexander Hamilton, Aaron Burr and Benjamin Franklin. Even before there was a Constitution, the Founding Fathers prohibited slavery in the Northwest Territories (Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota and Wisconsin). Indeed, of the seven men most commonly named as the "Founding Fathers", five opposed slavery and the two who did own slaves were not very happy with it (those seven are John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and George Washington).


    Quote Originally Posted by swizz
    Because Obama is a pretty intelligent person, like his policies or not, so there really isn't much to compare this to because he doesn't make blatantly incorrect statements all that often. You will be able to come up with some other ones, but it is not on a consistent basis.
    Should it Matter When Politicians Make History Mistakes?

    ...During the 2008 campaign Obama claimed that we should meet face-to-face with those we oppose just as Kennedy had met with Khrushchev when "We were on the brink of nuclear war." Except Kennedy's meeting with Khrushchev had occurred more than a year before the Cuban Missile Crisis and was regarded even by JFK as a failure. In fact, Khrushchev concluded from his meeting with JFK at Vienna that the young president would not be a barrier to an increased Soviet hardline as he went on to approve the building of the Berlin Wall and the placement of missiles in Cuba.

    Also during the campaign he bragged about his uncle being part of the liberation of Auschwitz when it was the Soviets who liberated the camps in Poland. His uncle helped to liberate a satellite camp of Buchenwald. I would have thought that, if he were truly so proud of his uncle's service, he might have read up on those experiences and learned more about what actually happened.

    At his inaugural, he didn't know how many men had been president double-counting Cleveland. That was a small error, of course, but you'd think that for an Inaugural Address he or his speechwriters would get it right.

    Obama's aides seem so impressed with the boss that they have lost all historical perspective. Remember Rahm Emanuel telling Obama that he had faced the toughest times that any president has ever faced. Apparently, Obama and his aides only remember Abraham Lincoln when they want to reach for some strained comparison between the two.

    Obama's sense of himself seems so grandiose that he can make boneheaded comments like claiming that the reason he was so unpopular in Texas is that "Texas has always been a pretty Republican state, for, you know, historic reasons." Apparently, this man who supposedly learned so much from the civil rights movement was unaware that the Democrats were the party of the solid South and that Texas had been a Democratic state since its admission in 1845 until Nixon's election in 1972. That was the historic gaffe that led Scott Johnson of Powerline to say that "Obama's historical ignorance could be a full time beat for somebody who does this work for a living".

    More importantly, his whole approach to the Middle East displays a vast historical ignorance. In that same Inaugural he talked about seeking a "new way forward" for our relations with the Muslim world and a return to the "same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago.". As Charles Krauthammer pointed out at the time, Obama seemed ignorant of the true history of our relationship with the Muslim world....

    So historical ignorance can be both embarrassing and crucial for a president. Critics shouldn't ridicule Michele Bachmann's errors unless they've also spent some time on Obama's errors.

    Meanwhile, Bachmann just had a hilarious gaffe YESTERDAY.
    funny you should bring this up. Obama yesterday had a rather entertaining gaffe where he screwed up and got his own daughters' age wrong.

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