Page 6 of 15 FirstFirst ... 45678 ... LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 142

Thread: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

  1. #51
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:12 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,902

    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Obama made the gaffe in Beaverton, Oregon; he had visited three states that day on the campaign; he was understandably very tired. What's Michele Bachmann's excuse?
    A - ignorance
    B - stupidity
    C - thought process short circuited by a willfully imposed extremist belief system
    D - all of the above
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  2. #52
    Educator snilloctjc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    El Paso, TX USA
    Last Seen
    05-04-15 @ 08:40 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    648

    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    The notion that the founders worked tirelessly until slavery was abolished is revisionist crapola.

    Perhaps you should read about the lives of the "founders" beyond their role in forming the nation. Many had key roles within their respective state assemblies/legislatures as well.

    Memory may be wrong, but if it isn't, didn't Jefferson introduce legislation in the Virginia Assembly to abolish slavery, and if I am not mistaken he was supported by Madison and Mason. The bill was defeated. Also others - maybe Hamilton - lead abolutionist efforts in NY, including something to protect slaves that were freed (manumition?) by their owners had their rights protected and were not illicitly re-enslaved?

    Don't know if tirelessly is correct, but at least in Virginia it was a bold position to take at the time

    Not to mention the work and advocay of John Adams on this issue - not John Q.

  3. #53
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Zyphlin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    NoMoAuchie
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    47,990

    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Are you saying such threads should never be created, such incidents should never be noted?
    If the option is between the idiocy of overreaction this kind of crap gets or these things happening and not being noted...I'd go with not noted every single time.

  4. #54
    Sage
    Dezaad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Last Seen
    06-28-15 @ 10:43 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    5,058
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    Perhaps you should read about the lives of the "founders" beyond their role in forming the nation. Many had key roles within their respective state assemblies/legislatures as well.

    Memory may be wrong, but if it isn't, didn't Jefferson introduce legislation in the Virginia Assembly to abolish slavery, and if I am not mistaken he was supported by Madison and Mason. The bill was defeated. Also others - maybe Hamilton - lead abolutionist efforts in NY, including something to protect slaves that were freed (manumition?) by their owners had their rights protected and were not illicitly re-enslaved?

    Don't know if tirelessly is correct, but at least in Virginia it was a bold position to take at the time

    Not to mention the work and advocay of John Adams on this issue - not John Q.
    You should read for yourself. The founders efforts as a group were decidedly mixed. They should not be discredited on the basis of slavery, but they weren't saints either. It is this nuance that she lacks. The inability to see things in full color. Combined with her other crazy talk, it adds to the picture of her mental capacity toward charting a course for a nation of the greatest complexity. Again, I reiterate, this is entirely relevant to hers or anyone's worthiness of being president.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

  5. #55
    Educator snilloctjc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    El Paso, TX USA
    Last Seen
    05-04-15 @ 08:40 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    648

    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    You should read for yourself.

    I read extensively thank you very much, and quite a bit of that is in the field of US History

    The founders efforts as a group were decidedly mixed.

    of course they were, so were the positions of the people in positions of power that were not "founders"

    They should not be discredited on the basis of slavery, but they weren't saints either.

    I don't recall calling them saints, nor is that a position I hold - they were men, very bright, educated and dedcicated men to be sure, but mere mortals in the end.

    It is this nuance that she lacks. The inability to see things in full color. Combined with her other crazy talk, it adds to the picture of her mental capacity toward charting a course for a nation of the greatest complexity. Again, I reiterate, this is entirely relevant to hers or anyone's worthiness of being president.
    Many a brilliant person in history came across as dumb in public settings. I have no opinion on her "nuance, or inability to see things in full color, for me I am still learning about her. I agree it is relative, but isolated statements are no measurement tool.
    Last edited by snilloctjc; 06-29-11 at 11:10 AM. Reason: spelling

  6. #56
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And Bachman, a Presidential candidate, doesn't know that J.Q Adams was not only NOT a founding father, but was born LONG after the founding fathers founding this country. So, what do each of these things prove? Just that partisan hacks on each side will make big deals out of them because they are... partisan hacks.
    I believe that John Quincy accompanied his father to France.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  7. #57
    Shankmasta Killa
    TacticalEvilDan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Western NY and Geneva, CH
    Last Seen
    08-30-15 @ 04:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,444

    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Looks like Bachmann's handlers need to give her some more history lessons. The woman is an idiot.
    No, she absolutely positively is not an idiot. You don't get to where she's gotten by being an idiot, and this is no dumber than 57 states or inventing the Internet or any number of other gaffes uttered by top-ranking politicians on both sides of the isle over the years.

    My concern with this slip-up is the fact that she didn't go "whoops" or "what I'm trying to say is" or something like that. She just dug her heels in. I'm okay with that in a Congresscritter, but not so much with a President. I'm sure Presidents do that. I'm sure Obama does it. I'm just saying I don't like that in an executive figure.

    That said, I'm definitely going to vote for her if Palin doesn't run.



    TED,
    Committed to voting for the candidate with the greatest entertainment value.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

  8. #58
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Last Seen
    09-24-17 @ 04:38 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    29,261

    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    TED,
    Committed to voting for the candidate with the greatest entertainment value.
    But does she have as much entertainment value as Michael Jackson?

  9. #59
    Shankmasta Killa
    TacticalEvilDan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Western NY and Geneva, CH
    Last Seen
    08-30-15 @ 04:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,444

    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Doesn't matter, Jackson can't hold the office, so I won't vote for him.

    ...

    If he could hold the office, and he was on the ballot, you bet your sweet ass I would.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

  10. #60
    Educator snilloctjc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    El Paso, TX USA
    Last Seen
    05-04-15 @ 08:40 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    648

    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I believe that John Quincy accompanied his father to France.
    Among other significant experiences in his life. He was born 7/11/1767 making him 9 when the Declaration was signed. and 22 when the Constitution was drawn. He certainly was not a "founding father", but he did have a ring side seat to the founding.

    John Quincy Adams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Page 6 of 15 FirstFirst ... 45678 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •