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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    A lot of these GOP guys never want to admit their wrong. During that CNN debate Romney was asked "You said earlier in this op ed that the bailout will cause the complete failure of the american auto industry, it seems now they are doing better than ever since the bailout, do you believe that was incorrect"? And he's like "No i stand by that" <<< What????
    Yup! It's like they're not even in the same conversation, they're just there to yodel their 'truth'.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Just the facts, Jack!

    In fact, John Quincy Adams was just 8 when the Declaration of Independence was signed and just 20 when the Constitution was being cobbled together at a convention that agreed to a “compromise” that identified a slave as three-fifths of a human being. He did not sign either document. Nor did he participate in any significant manner in the debates regarding those documents—or the compromises contained in them—until the last years of his life.

    John Quincy Adams was not considered a prominent ally of American abolitionists in his teens or his 20s, or his 30s, or his 40s, or his 50s. Only as he approached the age of 70, after finishing his one term as president, did Adams emerge as an outspoken critic of human bondage. When he did so, his was a radical act of departure from the corrupt political consensus that allowed slavery to be maintained. Adams’s courageous stance in opposition to states rights and in favor of a strong federal government with a commitment to liberty and justice for all is surely worthy of note.
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    I suppose if the populace needs a political blogger to discuss American history, that's their prerogative. "Just the facts, Jack", yeah, sure, but this is kind of.....sigh..

    Folks, pick up some books not written by popular historians or journalists, please.
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And Bachman, a Presidential candidate, doesn't know that J.Q Adams was not only NOT a founding father, but was born LONG after the founding fathers founding this country. So, what do each of these things prove? Just that partisan hacks on each side will make big deals out of them because they are... partisan hacks.
    So, under the Bachman standard, you are now disqualified from commenting on this further in this thread.

    For the record, he was born well before the Revolutionary War (1767) and was in service to the country as early as 1794 when he was appointed as Ambassador to the Netherlands...
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    From my limited understanding of US history, I don't think she was wrong at all in her views of John Quincy Adams. John Quincy Adams may very well have been involved in the many protests and shows of support against imperial rule as a young boy. I mean there's no proof of it to my knowledge but it's not unlikely. As for her comments on slavery, I'm surprised anybody would claim that the Founding Fathers worked to end it when many had their fortunes had been built on slavery. However, that seems to be the new fad in Conservative history. Rewrite history and make sure we look like a nation who really took the worlds "All men are created equal" seriously.
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    From my limited understanding of US history, I don't think she was wrong at all in her views of John Quincy Adams. John Quincy Adams may very well have been involved in the many protests and shows of support against imperial rule as a young boy. I mean there's no proof of it to my knowledge but it's not unlikely. As for her comments on slavery, I'm surprised anybody would claim that the Founding Fathers worked to end it when many had their fortunes had been built on slavery. However, that seems to be the new fad in Conservative history. Rewrite history and make sure we look like a nation who really took the worlds "All men are created equal" seriously.

    There really is not any Rewrite of History (Conservative or otherwise). History as a field of study always changes as we learn more, uncover new documents etc, and continue to wade through piles of writings that have not before been studied.

    Specifically in the area of the founders and their views on slavery, as well as their actions, unless you are an expert in this field of hitorical research, I doubt you have ever heard much on the topic. It is unfortunate, but true that our education system by design just skims the surface of our history (any one's for that matter), and what is presented is often influenced by current culture and politics. One easy example - the terms Carpetbagger and Skalawags are used in the common sense as derogatory terms as a result of post reconstruction framing of US History. If you think about the people they are applied to, you would see they should be terms of honor. A Carpetbagger - for the most part, was primarily teachers, doctors etc - who moved from the North to the South to work to advance the inclusion and education of freed slaves in the democratic process. A Scalawag aimed at the same goal, except they were native Southernors.
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Maybe JQA was the guy shooting his gun off while Paul Revere was ringing the bells and riding his horse.
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Maybe JQA was the guy shooting his gun off while Paul Revere was ringing the bells and riding his horse.
    Yeah but who got his load?

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    She gave a dumb answer. It's about as dumb as "57 states." Both are incorrect and dumb statements, but if one doesn't disqualify a candidate from being President, then the other one doesn't either. I think you liberals should give up the chase. Your candidate leads the parade. And let's not forget the current VEEP too. Woof!

    Maybe this is just evidence that American History should be better taught in schools and those schools should be public, private, and parochial.
    There is a huge difference between mis-speaking and not understanding. Obama mis spoke, Bachman (and you) do not understand.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by SPC View Post
    Obama can't even pronounce the word "Corpsman" right. He pronounces it "Corpseman".
    People have different accents, seriously.... That's like people making a big deal out of Bush saying nuclear. He is from the south. Obama is from the North, and people in the North pronounce s's harsher than in the south. People in the south tend to mumble more too.

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