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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
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    Well its simple - the order of succession would be followed. I mean we are talking about politicians - just how far down the line of succession do you think we'd have to go before we find someone left behind? My bet - not far at all
    Depends on who she appoints, and who do you think that will be?

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Depends on who she appoints, and who do you think that will be?
    Except for number 3 - Speaker of the House, and 4 President ProTem of the Senate, that are not Presidential Appointments. I doubt we'd get beyond those two.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    HAH! too late! by the new rules you've already made a gaffe, making you an utter moron and completely invalidating anything else you say afterwards!!!
    But I admitted my error.

    I think you are putting too high a bar on "tirelessly", then; many of the founders did indeed work to end slavery until the end of their public (or actual) lives. Franklin for example.
    Most of the founders backed away from addressing slavery, either publicly or privately. The did so for political reasons... they needed the south to commit to supporting the Revolution and the Constitution.

    Certainly Bachmann was correct in that she corrected the narrative that the founders were either ambivalent towards or in favor of slavery.
    No. Everything that Bachman said was referencing JQ Adams. I've read a bit about JQ and what she said was about him, NOT about the founders. She just go it wrong around him not being a founder.

    i think it is relevant in discussing those who attack Bachmann on this sort of issue.
    I don't.

    generally, no, i don't think this stuff is relevant. I've said it about people from both sides - you don't generally climb this high in a competitive field unless you are above average smarts. some later deteriorate (joe biden, i think, has done so), but you don't get up there unless you're on the ball. People who get Sarah Palin confused with Tina Fey are the fools, not she.
    I agree... I don't think that getting some of these historical details correct, off the cuff, is really that important in assessing a candidate.
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    And somebody actually tried to change the wiki to include John Quincy Adams.

    Did the Founding Fathers really work 'tirelessly' to end slavery? - The Week

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

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    God. You saying that is SOOOOOO child-like. Pathetic.
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    She was dead serious, and she would NOT back down.
    Which is the difference. She never admits fault.
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    A lot of these GOP guys never want to admit their wrong. During that CNN debate Romney was asked "You said earlier in this op ed that the bailout will cause the complete failure of the american auto industry, it seems now they are doing better than ever since the bailout, do you believe that was incorrect"? And he's like "No i stand by that" <<< What????

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    God. You saying that is SOOOOOO child-like. Pathetic.
    not really. had Bachman done this (or had she congradulated the Mexican Ambassador on celebrating "Cinco de Quatro") as the President did, the echo-chambers here would be hopping all over her, having heard it in Breaking News on MSNBC.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    But I admitted my error.
    too late. one misspeak makes everything else you might say idiotic by association.

    Most of the founders backed away from addressing slavery, either publicly or privately. The did so for political reasons... they needed the south to commit to supporting the Revolution and the Constitution.
    publicly they came to the uneasy truce on the issue. Jefferson's original language in the Declaration was actually partially scrubbed for precisely this reason. However, you are incorrect to characterize them so - they openly addressed the issue when they banned slavery on federal lands, and they privately did so when they joined (for example, as Benjamin Franklin did) manumission and/or abolition societies.

    No. Everything that Bachman said was referencing JQ Adams. I've read a bit about JQ and what she said was about him, NOT about the founders. She just go it wrong around him not being a founder.
    Bachmann threw out JQ as an example of a larger group that she was discussing. She was right about the group, and off about JQ. I can see why she lumped him in in that group, though I agree a stronger case could be made against doing so than in favor of it.

    I don't.
    then you need to jive that with:

    I agree... I don't think that getting some of these historical details correct, off the cuff, is really that important in assessing a candidate.
    this.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: John Quincy Adams Was 'One Of Our Founding Fathers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    A lot of these GOP guys never want to admit their wrong. During that CNN debate Romney was asked "You said earlier in this op ed that the bailout will cause the complete failure of the american auto industry, it seems now they are doing better than ever since the bailout, do you believe that was incorrect"? And he's like "No i stand by that" <<< What????
    and explained himself. when do you see Obama admitting that the Stimulus was a flop, or that Obamacare is going to raise the deficit and the cost of healthcare?

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