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    Re: seriously, michele bachmann?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Sure. But do consider he was the least popular president... ever. And yet most people will say, "Oh, but he seems really charming. I bet he'd be cool to talk to."

    That's why people voted for him, even after a disastrous first term. They liked him. And they didn't care about his ability to lead.
    I mean, he did have this little thing called a "platform" in 2000 and in 2004. Just because a candidate likes to project the public image of "guy you can have a beer with," doesn't make it the reason why people elected him. In fact, that's pretty much the equivalent of saying "People voted for Obama because he's black and black people are cool. People wanted to just chill and play basketball with him." FDR was elected because he was grandfatherly. And it's like, "Who doesn't want to sit on Grandpa's lap and eat cookies, right?"
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    Re: seriously, michele bachmann?

    What did people like about Bush? In fact, what was the ONLY thing most people liked about Bush?

    He seems like he's be fun to have a beer with.
    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Sure. But do consider he was the least popular president... ever. And yet most people will say, "Oh, but he seems really charming. I bet he'd be cool to talk to."

    That's why people voted for him, even after a disastrous first term. They liked him. And they didn't care about his ability to lead.
    I'm not going to jump to conclusions on why people voted for Bush and I would recommend you do the same since you appear to know little more than ridicule made up by popular culture.

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    Re: seriously, michele bachmann?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    If Bachman gets the nomination, the GOP is sunk in 2012. For either party to win, you must have the Independents on your side, and Independents don't like extremists, whether they are right or left. They are key to winning an election. If the GOP is smart, they will pick Jon Huntsman. The base will come around, just so that they can see Obama, who they hate, knocked off, and the Independents, and even a few Democrats, will vote for him, because of his pragmatism.
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    Re: seriously, michele bachmann?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    I mean, he did have this little thing called a "platform" in 2000 and in 2004. Just because a candidate likes to project the public image of "guy you can have a beer with," doesn't make it the reason why people elected him. In fact, that's pretty much the equivalent of saying "People voted for Obama because he's black and black people are cool. People wanted to just chill and play basketball with him." FDR was elected because he was grandfatherly. And it's like, "Who doesn't want to sit on Grandpa's lap and eat cookies, right?"
    Bachmann has a platform too. But it's completely at odds with her record, and it's not all that important to a lot of people. In today's media, your platform doesn't matter. Your persona matters. Gore was boring to listen to. Kerry was made of wood. The fact that Bush managed to make a mess of his first term and had pretty poor approval ratings by the end of it still didn't end his campaign. Because he was "your average Joe."

    Ya know, honestly, I'm sure there are black people who voted for Obama because he's black. I'm sure there are Christians who voted for Bush because he was so bold about his religion.

    Neither matters in their ability to lead.
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    Re: seriously, michele bachmann?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm not going to jump to conclusions on why people voted for Bush and I would recommend you do the same since you appear to know little more than ridicule made up by popular culture.
    Well, a lot of the people I know who voted for Bush didn't vote because of his issues. And of course, anytime it's something you don't like it's "popular culture."

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    Re: seriously, michele bachmann?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    Pfft. Yeah, I'd better pick up a copy of Rolling Stone and bone up.
    Yeah, because I didn't just find this thread as opposed to researching from google.news.

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    Re: seriously, michele bachmann?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Bachmann has a platform too. In today's media, your platform doesn't matter. Your persona matters. Gore was boring to listen to. Kerry was made of wood.


    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    The fact that he managed to make a mess of his first term and had pretty poor approval ratings by the end of it still didn't end his campaign. Because he was "your average Joe."
    He was polling at around 50% by the end of the first term. Right where Obama is.

    People still saw things his way, more or less. Doesn't have anything to do with his beer-having image.

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Ya know, honestly, I'm sure there are black people who voted for Obama because he's black. I'm sure there are Christians who voted for Bush because he was so bold about his religion.
    And I'm sure they're out there too. But just because something like that is present, does not mean it is sufficient -- it's supplemental. Nobody runs on just "image." If they did, Bachmann might have been ahead a long time ago.

    As it stands, she is not leading in any major poll since November. Her "surge" is pretty much limited to front-loading Iowa, which is what candidates do when they think they have no chance.
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    Re: seriously, michele bachmann?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Well, a lot of the people I know who voted for Bush didn't vote because of his issues. And of course, anytime it's something you don't like it's "popular culture."
    I don't see what "people you know" have to do with this. Bachmann is from your state. It's really no one's fault that you're from her neck of the woods.
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    Re: seriously, michele bachmann?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If Bachman gets the nomination, the GOP is sunk in 2012. For either party to win, you must have the Independents on your side, and Independents don't like extremists, whether they are right or left. They are key to winning an election. If the GOP is smart, they will pick Jon Huntsman. The base will come around, just so that they can see Obama, who they hate, knocked off, and the Independents, and even a few Democrats, will vote for him, because of his pragmatism.
    i don't know anything about huntsman yet, but i do know the gop needs to cut bachmann off at the knees, for their own sake.

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    Re: seriously, michele bachmann?

    You have a bad habit of using emoji to sort of skirt around being opening antagonistic while making no point whatsoever. Bet it's saved you from lots of red cards.

    I really doubt that. There was an additional factor with Bush - heavy-handed scare-mongering and 2 wars (which most Americans remained gravely mis-informed about up until mid-way through his second term). Had he not had the boogie man on his side, I doubt he'd have won. Though having a completely cardboard opponent probably doesn't help - since that's it seems like people pay attention to.

    I'm not saying I think Bachmann is a shoe-in for the nomination by any stretch. But I'm certainly not going to write her off, and I'm not going to ignore her. She panders to the loudest and least educated demographic in the country. They may not be a majority but they are getting bigger, and I think ignoring her is a mistake, and laughing at her is an even bigger mistake.

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