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Obama Administration Passes DREAM ACT by Executive Memo

"Congress? We don't need no stinking Congress" --Barack Obama
Okay. So in that other thread I said he is not a dictator. I stand corrected.

Congress needs to defund the Presidency.
 
Looking into this. So far the stories are all on blogs and all based on a WND story, which means highly questionable. Looking for a real story on this.

Edit: no such EO is listed at the WH website, and no reporting on this outside of right wing blogs. Going to go with either a hoax or a complete misrepresentation of what has been done./
 
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Looking into this. So far the stories are all on blogs and all based on a WND story, which means highly questionable. Looking for a real story on this.

You didn't even open the link, did you?

“This is outright lawlessness on the part of the administration,” argued syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer on a discussion panel with Fox News’ anchor Chris Wallace. “Whatever the politics of this, we do have a Constitution. And under it, the Legislature, the Congress enacts the laws and the executive executes them. It doesn’t make them up.
“The DREAM Act was rejected by Congress,” Krauthammer continued. “It is now being enacted by the executive, despite the express will of the Congress. That is lawless. It may not be an explicit executive order; it’s an implicit one.”

You saw that it came from Hotair.com and they're a buncha Conservatives--excuse me, racist Conservatives--who hate Obama because he's black and can't see through their hatred to see how wonderful he really is, hence the reason that you can't understand why anyone would believe that he would never do anything like this. You probably believe that he isn't working on gun control, "under the radar, either.
 
Looking into this. So far the stories are all on blogs and all based on a WND story, which means highly questionable. Looking for a real story on this.

Edit: no such EO is listed at the WH website, and no reporting on this outside of right wing blogs. Going to go with either a hoax or a complete misrepresentation of what has been done./
But he needs the illegal vote to win. So the tactic makes sense. So the Congress quite simply needs to defund the White House. I think going back to 2008 levels of funding should be adequate.
 
You didn't even open the link, did you?



You saw that it came from Hotair.com and they're a buncha Conservatives--excuse me, racist Conservatives--who hate Obama because he's black and can't see through their hatred to see how wonderful he really is, hence the reason that you can't understand why anyone would believe that he would never do anything like this. You probably believe that he isn't working on gun control, "under the radar, either.

Then show me the executive order. People can say anything, but without that, this is nothing. People do comment on stuff they believe is true on news shows without it actually being true. Look at, for example, truthers. Right now, every source that reported it, it eventually went back to WND, which is not a credible source.

The closest to real documentation I did find was a memo that specified that agents should use more discretion on who to deport, which is not even remotely close to the DREAM Act.
 
But he needs the illegal vote to win. So the tactic makes sense. So the Congress quite simply needs to defund the White House. I think going back to 2008 levels of funding should be adequate.

Whether you think it makes sense is irrelevant. What you need is actual documentation. The source in the linked story comes from WND.
 
You saw that it came from Hotair.com and they're a buncha Conservatives--excuse me, racist Conservatives--who hate Obama because he's black and can't see through their hatred to see how wonderful he really is, hence the reason that you can't understand why anyone would believe that he would never do anything like this. You probably believe that he isn't working on gun control, "under the radar, either.

If the website for the White House says nothing about it, then it didn't happen. If no official source is talking about it, it didn't happen; and when it comes to the passing of laws, especially the DREAM Act, the press would be all over it.

I call hoax also.
 
Then show me the executive order. People can say anything, but without that, this is nothing. People do comment on stuff they believe is true on news shows without it actually being true. Look at, for example, truthers. Right now, every source that reported it, it eventually went back to WND, which is not a credible source.

The closest to real documentation I did find was a memo that specified that agents should use more discretion on who to deport, which is not even remotely close to the DREAM Act.

I see. A conspiracy by the Right Wing press?
 
If the website for the White House says nothing about it, then it didn't happen. If no official source is talking about it, it didn't happen; and when it comes to the passing of laws, especially the DREAM Act, the press would be all over it.

I call hoax also.

Don't turn too tight, your wheel could get caught up under your wagon.
 
WND is like MM for the right side of the political spectrum. I wouldn't believe this unless we had a copy of the actual executive order.
 
Here, let me help you: Presidential Actions | The White House

If it happened, it should be listed here. Where is it on this page?

Also, note I said mistaken, and reporting on a WND story. None of that is a conspiracy. Don't build that straw man.

Oh, so since the WH didn't say it happened, it didn't happen? We all know they wouldn't lie about it.
 
Oh, so since the WH didn't say it happened, it didn't happen? We all know they wouldn't lie about it.

Well, since you can't document it actually did happen, and your only source is based on a WND story, I think it is pretty safe to say that no, it did not happen. If you can show some evidence it actually did happen, I will happily accept that, but until then, you have supplied nothing.
 
That has nothing to do with the DREAM act, and I mentioned it earlier. I am still waiting for you to show me the EO by the way.

So, Krauthammer is lieing?
 
So, Krauthammer is lieing?

Or mistaken, or misrepresenting something. Got a link to the document yet? If this is true, it has to exist.
 
Then show me the executive order. People can say anything, but without that, this is nothing. People do comment on stuff they believe is true on news shows without it actually being true. Look at, for example, truthers. Right now, every source that reported it, it eventually went back to WND, which is not a credible source.

The closest to real documentation I did find was a memo that specified that agents should use more discretion on who to deport, which is not even remotely close to the DREAM Act.

"According to our friends over at HotAir.com, the DREAM Act has been rammed through by an ICE Executive Memo despite its rejection by Congress and the American people twice.

A memo written by ICE Director John Morton and sent to all agents in charge, chief counsel, office directors and special agents, states ICE doesn't have enough resources to deal with illegal immigrants who happen to be students, and therefore, they should have less of a chance of deportation due to the criteria used when making decisions about who will be deported known as "prosecutorial discretion." According the the ICE memo:"


http://www.ice.gov/doclib/secure-communities/pdf/prosecutorial-discretion-memo.pdf


If there is a claim about an actual Executive Order, believe that is inaccurate. What I see is the proposal that the Dream Act is being pushed through via proxy through an ICE statement from Morton. And the document is published on the attached ICE link....



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Or mistaken, or misrepresenting something. Got a link to the document yet? If this is true, it has to exist.

I'm sure you would agree that if an annoucement was made Friday afternoon, that's reasonable to believe the information wouldn't be posted to the government's website by Sunday afternoon.
 
Whether you think it makes sense is irrelevant. What you need is actual documentation. The source in the linked story comes from WND.

How is this? http://www.ice.gov/doclib/secure-communities/pdf/prosecutorial-discretion-memo.pdf

Factors to Consider When Exercising Prosecutorial Discretion
When weighing whether an exercise of prosecutorial discretion may be warranted for a given
. alien, ICE officers, agents , and attorneys should consider all relevant factors, including, but not
limited to*
...
• the circumstances of the person's arrival in the United States and the manner of his or her
entry,particularly if the alien came to the United States as a young child;
• the person's pursuit of education in the United States, with particular consideration given
to those who have graduated from a U.S. high school or have successfully pursued or are
pursuing a college or advanced degrees at a legitimate institution of higher education in
the United States;
• whether the person, or the person's immediate relative,has served in the U.S. military,
reserves, or national guard, with particular consideration given to those who served in
combat;

Just a wink and a nod from the White House. Or perhaps plausible denial.
 
"According to our friends over at HotAir.com, the DREAM Act has been rammed through by an ICE Executive Memo despite its rejection by Congress and the American people twice.

A memo written by ICE Director John Morton and sent to all agents in charge, chief counsel, office directors and special agents, states ICE doesn't have enough resources to deal with illegal immigrants who happen to be students, and therefore, they should have less of a chance of deportation due to the criteria used when making decisions about who will be deported known as "prosecutorial discretion." According the the ICE memo:"


http://www.ice.gov/doclib/secure-communities/pdf/prosecutorial-discretion-memo.pdf


If there is a claim about an actual Executive Order, believe that is inaccurate. What I see is the proposal that the Dream Act is being pushed through via proxy through an ICE statement from Morton. And the document is published on the attached ICE link....



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1) You should always read your source material. Quoting some one talking about the source material tends to be misleading.

2) I already mentioned this right here in this very thread

3) Nothing in the memo is the DREAM Act

4) The memo states that resources are limited, and as such, should not be used to prosecute certain people, which does include veterans and students, but also people here since birth, pregnant women, victims of human trafficking, children, and also stipulates who should be prosecuted, including those who are gang members, a risk to national security, repeat offenders, and so on.

5) So in other words, you are exactly right, except for almost every single detail being wrong. This is not the DREAM Act, it is not from an EO or Executive memo, and all it does is discuss who is a priority to prosecute.
 
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