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    Re: Obama Administration Passes DREAM ACT by Executive Memo

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you understand that there is a difference between an executive memo and an executive order?

    All these folks been looking on the list of executive orders, for an executive memo, all evening!
    Actually this is wrong. I listed the list of presidential acts, which includes Executive Memos. I actually looked at the page of Executive Memo's too, but did not link to it since I found an all inclusive page to link to. It's not an Executive Memo either.
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    Re: Obama Administration Passes DREAM ACT by Executive Memo

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually this is wrong. I listed the list of presidential acts, which includes Executive Memos. I actually looked at the page of Executive Memo's too, but did not link to it since I found an all inclusive page to link to. It's not an Executive Memo either.
    The one term president Obama is not the only executive in the Executive branch. This Memo was from ICE. Coincidence?

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    Re: Obama Administration Passes DREAM ACT by Executive Memo

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I understand that. I just wanted to make it clear to others reading that it was not an EO. As this thread shows, actual research is not done by enough people.
    Very true and that's unfortunate. One thing I learned early on when I first registered here is that if you don't read the source info in the OP (i.e., articles, legal documents, Acts of Congress), not only do you remain uninformed, you also show your ignorance.

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    Re: Obama Administration Passes DREAM ACT by Executive Memo

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, actually, it did.

    Immigration Officials Alter Deportation Tactic - WSJ.com

    The idea of this must scare the crap out of ya'll, to send you all into such a state of denial.
    Actually, from what the article describes (I only got a snippet because I'm not a registered member of the WSJ online. So, if you are it would be beneficial to the readers if you could post the entire article here.) it seems that the Dept of Homeland Security is attempting to beef up their illegal immigration data collection by comparing finger prints from those individuals they apprehend to finger prints in FBI/DHS database files. Frankly, I'm surprised people would be surprised about this, i.e., local and federal agencies working together in a more efficient manner to catch illegal aliens. I'd think folks would be applauding such efforts not condemning them.

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    Re: Obama Administration Passes DREAM ACT by Executive Memo

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, everything I stated is 100 % factually correct. The OP source is not. This is not the DREAM Act. There is no route to citizenship in this. I cannot find even where this came directly from the president, and it does not appear to be from either an EO or Executive memo.
    So everyone understands what the issue is here:

    There is no Executive Order from the President directing any federal agency, i.e.., ICE, to purposefully exclude any illegal alien they apprehend from being prosecuted under the law. However, just as with any federal agency ICE has discretionary powers to determine who to prosecute and who not to prosecute. Since we all know there are millions of illegal aliens running around, we clearly don't have the manpower nor facilities to house them. So, ICE is just being prudent based on their limited resources in going after those illegals who they believe pose a threat to our national security. Illegal aliens who happen to have lived here since early childhood, have no criminal record, have graduated high school or who have served honorable in our military don't fit the bill of someone posing as national security threats.

    Now, that said, I do understand why some people would be oppose to the ICE Director's position concerning "prosecutorial discretion" as outlined in the memo. Many of the issues outlined in the memo mirror criteria as a "path to citizenship" as outlined in the DREAM Act. BUT...

    As Redress points out, making judgment calls on who to prosecute and who not to prosecute does NOT equate to "a pass to citizenship". It just means that ICE basically will do everything in its power to focus on catching the bad guys and leave the rest to others to deal with.

    I know...seems a slap in the face to detering illegal immigration, but based on the memo's contents ICE has to pick its poison - track down, capture, prosecute and deport every suspected illegal alien (which even I would find preferable under ideal circumstances) or focus on getting those who wish to do us harm. If given a choice, I prefer the latter.

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    Re: Obama Administration Passes DREAM ACT by Executive Memo

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Post #1 says Executive Memo. The one term president Obama has henchmen.
    Post number one is based on misinformation, which World Nut Daily is famous for. ALL Executive Orders and Executive Memos are posted at the White House web site. So I did as Redress suggested and combed the White House web site for it. There is no such posting at the White House web site, that Obama passed the DREAM act by Executive order, as Hot Air claims, and that World Nut Daily and FOX News put out as a news story. Looks like this story is just more propaganda for the sheep. LOL.
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    Re: Obama Administration Passes DREAM ACT by Executive Memo

    If any part of this turns out to be true, I will be pissed off beyond belief.

    It's bad enough that 20 years worth of presidents have been bribed by money and votes to turn their backs on the government's obligation to secure our borders and enforce our immigration laws. Now if this administration has decided that they aren't even going to deport those here illegally unless they commit a crime, I'll be furious. They have committed a crime just for being here. If they have stolen social security or green card numbers to gain employment, that have committed another crime. If they use fraudulent means to obtain welfare and other taxpayer funded services, they have committed yet another crime.

    This whole issue chaps the hell out of me.
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    Re: Obama Administration Passes DREAM ACT by Executive Memo

    So right, danarhea, and it's unfortunate that people can't make that distinction between a memo that comes directly from the Executive (White House) and a memo issue from a department head of a particular agency. All the Dir, ICE is doing is streamlining his apprehension process by going after illegal aliens in accordance with the law, policy review and well established procedures from the past. Nothing more here, folks. That alleged subversion of Congressional power via Executive Order as a path to citizenship for illegal aliens just isn't there, folks.

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    Re: Obama Administration Passes DREAM ACT by Executive Memo

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    If any part of this turns out to be true, I will be pissed off beyond belief.
    I would suggest that you read the memo by the Dir, ICE to understand exactly what's going on here versus what's being claim, i.e., that ICE is subverting the law and will not prosecute illegal aliens and are giving them a free path to citizenship as was claimed that the DREAM Act would have allowed. Nothing like that is happening here although I do admit some of the criteria for amnesty under the DREAM Act are outlined in this memo that the ICE Director has outlined as not really warranting criminal prosecution. I think that's what's go so many people upset. Odd thing is, this has been established policy within ICE and INS for decades. Why folks are getting upset about this now is beyond me.

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    Re: Obama Administration Passes DREAM ACT by Executive Memo

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    So right, danarhea, and it's unfortunate that people can't make that distinction between a memo that comes directly from the Executive (White House) and a memo issue from a department head of a particular agency. All the Dir, ICE is doing is streamlining his apprehension process by going after illegal aliens in accordance with the law, policy review and well established procedures from the past. Nothing more here, folks. That alleged subversion of Congressional power via Executive Order as a path to citizenship for illegal aliens just isn't there, folks.
    Gotta also look at it from this perspective: Yellow journalism from the very same people who empowered the birthers. LOL.
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