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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

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    ...but seriously, Cain has never held public office. His leadership experience is being CEO of a pizza company, and being a conservative talk show host. You can throw the federal reserve thing at me, but he was on the civilian board, which just means he was a CEO of a certain large company in a certain region. The CEO of JCPenny is on a similar board. Doesn't mean he has any economic training, or is ready to be president.

    In fact, I can safely say that Herman Cain is the least experienced candidate in this race.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Correct it shows Huntsman is a liberal and that is why democrats want him as the GOP nominee.
    Wow. Just. I'm at an utter loss for words.

    You bitch about Cherry picking, then you grab two fiscal issues that themselves are built upon cherry picking, one debatable issue altogether, and one thing he has never actually supported along with the fact he's a social moderate and somehow THAT is proof he's a "liberal".

    Yet I point out his #1 rated tax record, his top rated fiscal record, his history of being projobs, his accomplishments in actually growing a state economy not a pizza chains, him actually reducing the amount of spending compared to GDP, and his view that we need to secure the border first...and that's "cherry picking".

    Just...wow, really can't say anything beyond that.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Something unfortunate for some one like Huntsman that Senator Obama did not face is the primary system. Part of the reason that Obama did so well against Clinton was because the way the Democrats hold their primaries and especially their delegates. Huntsman can do really well in the individual primaries, but unless he wins he won't get anything to show for it other than I did so well. Whereas, in Obama's case he still got something out of coming in second. So, while Huntsman is saying the right things to get people's attention he needs to do the right thing, because second place in the GOP is still nothing.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Problem is Obama claimed he had the expierence.
    Ah, so you're saying that being inexperienced is only something to disqualify someone as being worthy of being president if they claim they have it.

    So lets grab a bum off the street! If he never says he had experience then it must mean his lack of experience doesn't matter! BRILLIANT!

    Cain has leadership expierence
    The same could be cobbled together for Obama and his leading of community projects and endevours. The fact of the matter is that's a secondary type of experience and not a direct job related experience of being either a part of the Executive Branch or a Military Commander, the two main parts of the Presidents job.

    and multiple expierence in several large companies.
    Again, that's nice. And Barack Obama was a constitutional professional and a board member of various groups. Again, that's not direct experience relevant to the Presidency

    he knows what it takes to balance a budget and get people back to work.
    Why does that matter, its apparently the sign of someone that's a liberal to you.


    We do not need another liberal.
    We don't need another inexperienced person either


    Obama even puts Huntsmans name out there yet he does not mention the GOP Blackman.
    WOW. Good to know that you enjoy engaging in Identiy Politics "Lawdy! The DEM Blackman didn't support the GOP Blackman, Lawdy Lawdy, those negros be acting strange!"

    Seriously, you just referenced Cain as "The GOP Blackman" and suggested Obama should've put his name out seemingly because they're both black. Sorry, if you're who we're supposed to be upholding as the decider of what is or isn't conservatism, I'll pass. Last I checked, conservatism tries to move away from identiy politics.

    If you look at history you will find that except for Goldwater conservatives standing on conservative values win presidential elections
    Please name those Presidents.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Wow. Just. I'm at an utter loss for words.

    You bitch about Cherry picking, then you grab two fiscal issues that themselves are built upon cherry picking, one debatable issue altogether, and one thing he has never actually supported along with the fact he's a social moderate and somehow THAT is proof he's a "liberal".

    Yet I point out his #1 rated tax record, his top rated fiscal record, his history of being projobs, his accomplishments in actually growing a state economy not a pizza chains, him actually reducing the amount of spending compared to GDP, and his view that we need to secure the border first...and that's "cherry picking".

    Just...wow, really can't say anything beyond that.
    There was more than 2 there was also healthcare. The link shows he is a liberal. That is why the dems want him. Then your choice will be which liberal is better.

    Not me I no longer vote the lesser of 2 evils. I can vote for the conservative constitution party

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Something unfortunate for some one like Huntsman that Senator Obama did not face is the primary system. Part of the reason that Obama did so well against Clinton was because the way the Democrats hold their primaries and especially their delegates. Huntsman can do really well in the individual primaries, but unless he wins he won't get anything to show for it other than I did so well. Whereas, in Obama's case he still got something out of coming in second. So, while Huntsman is saying the right things to get people's attention he needs to do the right thing, because second place in the GOP is still nothing.
    The right thing for liberals? He offers conservatives nothing

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    In mid-September 2008, McCain was very competitive, even holding a small lead in some polls. However, aside from his campaign strategy that positioned him away from his record, he also panicked when the financial crisis broke. He tried to cancel his debate. Afterward, he backed down when Senator Obama refused to cancel the debate and in doing so, provided a fresh glimpse of weakness.

    He called for a White House summit. When President Bush accommodated his request, McCain was largely mute during the summit while Senator Obama was an active participant. In his memoirs, former Treasury Secretary Paulson confirms those events at the summit and suspects that McCain's call for the summit might have been little more than a campaign tactic that backfired when President Bush actually organized such a summit for which Senator McCain was ill-prepared.

    During crises, leaders need to be decisive. They need to impose a sense of order/structure on the chaos/turmoil. Hesitation is fatal. Weakness amplifies fear. Senator McCain hesitated. He displayed weakness in the face of rapidly changing events. His conduct revealed that he was not a decisive leader. Senator Obama seized upon the opening created by Senator McCain's lack of decisiveness and never looked back.

    The 2012 landscape is different. The financial crisis and severe recession are in the recent past. Financial system fragility still persists to some degree. Structural economic challenges and massive debt overhang (nonfinancial domestic debt: households and rapidly rising federal debt) have tempered the growth leading to a sluggish, relatively jobless recovery to date. A new crisis threatens should the U.S. remain on its current fiscal path.

    Tough decisions will be required to address today's challenges related to suboptimal job creation and to avoid a future debt crisis. Voters will be looking for a credible roadmap that addresses those issues. The lack of public confidence on the direction of the nation and lack of satisfaction with current economic outcomes create an above-average opening by which an incumbent President could be defeated. Whether that opening is seized will depend, in part, on whether the economic recovery accelerates ahead of the election (creating more jobs/changing the general public mood), and whether the Republicans nominate a viable candidate.
    Okay, allow me to clarify don, Zyph. My point is, that leading up to elections, I've noted this trend that the GOP cannot dare back a Conservative Leader. That's the way of madness, that democrats and moderates and Independents won't go for it. In 2008 it was McCain, this year's current "Moderate dejour" is Huntsman. The arguments are always the same; Conservative must sacrifice their beliefs, sacrifice principles if they want to win.

    Why?

    I point to Reagan, and 1994, as examples of Pushing Conservatism can win elections.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Ah, so you're saying that being inexperienced is only something to disqualify someone as being worthy of being president if they claim they have it.

    So lets grab a bum off the street! If he never says he had experience then it must mean his lack of experience doesn't matter! BRILLIANT!



    The same could be cobbled together for Obama and his leading of community projects and endevours. The fact of the matter is that's a secondary type of experience and not a direct job related experience of being either a part of the Executive Branch or a Military Commander, the two main parts of the Presidents job.



    Again, that's nice. And Barack Obama was a constitutional professional and a board member of various groups. Again, that's not direct experience relevant to the Presidency



    Why does that matter, its apparently the sign of someone that's a liberal to you.




    We don't need another inexperienced person either




    WOW. Good to know that you enjoy engaging in Identiy Politics "Lawdy! The DEM Blackman didn't support the GOP Blackman, Lawdy Lawdy, those negros be acting strange!"

    Seriously, you just referenced Cain as "The GOP Blackman" and suggested Obama should've put his name out seemingly because they're both black. Sorry, if you're who we're supposed to be upholding as the decider of what is or isn't conservatism, I'll pass. Last I checked, conservatism tries to move away from identiy politics.



    Please name those Presidents.
    Sop tell me about Obam's leadership and budgets he met annd the people he put to work.

    Obama had little responsibility in those jobs as far as keeping people working or budgets.

    You can see this in the last 2 years. No employment and higher deficits

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The right thing for liberals? He offers conservatives nothing
    Not liberals. Your independents, slight conservatives, and probably moderate conservatives as well. Plus, if the slight liberals are liking him as well then it means it would be even harder for Obama to win. You don't want another four years of Obama right?
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yeah, I've read that. It confirms exactly what I said.

    He's the least experienced candidate in this race.
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