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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

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    So who does stand a chance?
    Considering the latest polls? A generic republican. Romney's got the best chance but he's still lagging quite considerably. People don't like Obama, but the choices aren't better.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    I would think that given how many Democrats are uneasy by Obama that a person like Huntsman would easily steal votes from Obama rather than make it easier for him to win.
    Yeah, we were told to back McCain cause he crossed the aisle, could get moderates and democrats to vote for him.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Huntsman has potentially the best chance or one of the best chance to beat Obama, and no easier way to get the base rallying against him then to have prominent Democrat put his support behind him. Reid's not an idiot when it comes to politics, and its an obvious play for attempting to poison a candidate whose being painted as a "moderate" rather than a "conservative".

    The election is about fiscal and governmental responsability. Best tax governor in the country during his tenure. Top 5 fiscal governor during that time. His spending as a percent of GDP went down each year he was governor. His state was routinely ranked in the top 3 for business to operate in. He's known for doing business friendly policies, and despite his views on "green" energy and global warming, he managed to impliment them in such a way that maintained his state being an attractive place to do business. He has significant foriegn policy experience, specifically in a sector of the world which is heavily tied to our economic situation and which is quickly growing as our next potential security threat. He's got extensive executive experience and a great track record, winning reelection in a landslide and leaving office with an extremely high approval rating.

    Outside of possibly Ron Paul, there's not a single republican primary challenger in this race who has as much or as strong of evidence in regards to his abilities as a fiscal and governmental conservative. And by evidence I mean actual actions, legislation, and deeds not simply words and stump speeches.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No, then he would have endorsed someone from the mix of Palin, Bachman, Gingrich, Cain, Santorum, Perry or Paul.... Huntsman (and Romney) each would have a shot in the general, though neither will get out of the semi-finals.

    Or is it a chance to play the Mormon card?

    We went through this with JFK and people playing the Catholic card which in the end was a specious argument and had no affect on his day to day running of the Oval Office.
    The Mormon card is not exactly the same thing as the Catholic card, but we will save that for another day.[/QUOTE]

    yeah... the Mormon card is made of gold and found in the woods.....

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yeah, we were told to back McCain cause he crossed the aisle, could get moderates and democrats to vote for him.
    And people didn't do that, and then McCain started trying to act like Joe Conservative, which no one bought but at the same time turned off independents. Meanwhile he was running against a person who at the time was of record popularity with Independents. I think McCain and his "moderate" tendancies would've done fine in 2000 or 2004 in the position Bush was in, as there was nothing highly appealing to "moderates" about Gore or Kerry either. But 2008 was just horrible.

    However, there's significant differences between the two. McCain was a relatively "moderate" conservative on just about EVERYTHING over the past 8 years. He was fiscally moderate, he was governmentally moderate, he was socially moderate. The only thing you could maybe say he was an average conservative on was militaristic conservatism.

    Huntsman is solidly conservative fiscally, at least average conservatively governmentally with some solid stances and some moderate stances, is moderate socially, and seems to be at least average militaristically. McCain had little solid conservative credentials to latch onto, Huntsman has many.

    You also have a different situation now as Obama's popularity with Independents and your old "Reagan Democrats" / Blue Dogs has declined comparitive to 2008, making the chance to nab independents and democrat voters with a fiscally conservative message greater than it was then.

    The two are not similar situations.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    Damn it Harry, you sneaky little turd. You KNOW that your endorsement is considered poison by hardcore conservatives, so you're intentionally giving it to the best Republican candidate in the race.

    I despise you.
    Be a God damn man if you think he's the best candidate and endorse him anyway. Since when has elections been about what other people think, democracy is about what YOU think, who YOU think is best, don't let some other asshole define how you vote, whether its because some asshole told you to vote this way or some other asshole told you not to vote this way, don't let anyone define your vote. If you think Huntsman is the best candidate than have the balls to stand up and say "Yes this 'turd' likes him too, but when you're right you're right and I can't deny Reid's gotten at least this right." Don't be afraid of siding with the "enemy" on anything because you're afraid of catching the cooties or some other bull****.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    If the democrats want him for the GOP that tells me to stay away. The democrats also wanted McCain in 2008

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Huntsman has potentially the best chance or one of the best chance to beat Obama, and no easier way to get the base rallying against him then to have prominent Democrat put his support behind him. Reid's not an idiot when it comes to politics, and its an obvious play for attempting to poison a candidate whose being painted as a "moderate" rather than a "conservative".

    The election is about fiscal and governmental responsability. Best tax governor in the country during his tenure. Top 5 fiscal governor during that time. His spending as a percent of GDP went down each year he was governor. His state was routinely ranked in the top 3 for business to operate in. He's known for doing business friendly policies, and despite his views on "green" energy and global warming, he managed to impliment them in such a way that maintained his state being an attractive place to do business. He has significant foriegn policy experience, specifically in a sector of the world which is heavily tied to our economic situation and which is quickly growing as our next potential security threat. He's got extensive executive experience and a great track record, winning reelection in a landslide and leaving office with an extremely high approval rating.

    Outside of possibly Ron Paul, there's not a single republican primary challenger in this race who has as much or as strong of evidence in regards to his abilities as a fiscal and governmental conservative. And by evidence I mean actual actions, legislation, and deeds not simply words and stump speeches.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    If the democrats want him for the GOP that tells me to stay away. The democrats also wanted McCain in 2008
    So tell me again how to claim freedom is the most important thing about this country, but you let some other group define how you act based on you alway doing the opposite? **** that, vote for you think is best thats the reason you have a vote.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yeah, we were told to back McCain cause he crossed the aisle, could get moderates and democrats to vote for him.
    In mid-September 2008, McCain was very competitive, even holding a small lead in some polls. However, aside from his campaign strategy that positioned him away from his record, he also panicked when the financial crisis broke. He tried to cancel his debate. Afterward, he backed down when Senator Obama refused to cancel the debate and in doing so, provided a fresh glimpse of weakness.

    He called for a White House summit. When President Bush accommodated his request, McCain was largely mute during the summit while Senator Obama was an active participant. In his memoirs, former Treasury Secretary Paulson confirms those events at the summit and suspects that McCain's call for the summit might have been little more than a campaign tactic that backfired when President Bush actually organized such a summit for which Senator McCain was ill-prepared.

    During crises, leaders need to be decisive. They need to impose a sense of order/structure on the chaos/turmoil. Hesitation is fatal. Weakness amplifies fear. Senator McCain hesitated. He displayed weakness in the face of rapidly changing events. His conduct revealed that he was not a decisive leader. Senator Obama seized upon the opening created by Senator McCain's lack of decisiveness and never looked back.

    The 2012 landscape is different. The financial crisis and severe recession are in the recent past. Financial system fragility still persists to some degree. Structural economic challenges and massive debt overhang (nonfinancial domestic debt: households and rapidly rising federal debt) have tempered the growth leading to a sluggish, relatively jobless recovery to date. A new crisis threatens should the U.S. remain on its current fiscal path.

    Tough decisions will be required to address today's challenges related to suboptimal job creation and to avoid a future debt crisis. Voters will be looking for a credible roadmap that addresses those issues. The lack of public confidence on the direction of the nation and lack of satisfaction with current economic outcomes create an above-average opening by which an incumbent President could be defeated. Whether that opening is seized will depend, in part, on whether the economic recovery accelerates ahead of the election (creating more jobs/changing the general public mood), and whether the Republicans nominate a viable candidate.

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