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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Could there me more to this than meets the eye?

    What good reason could Reid have for endorsing a Republican?

    Could it be that Reid wants someone to run he believes Obama can beat?

    Or is it a chance to play the Mormon card?

    We went through this with JFK and people playing the Catholic card which in the end was a specious argument and had no affect on his day to day running of the Oval Office.
    The fact a democrat is showing support for Huntsman is a pretty good sign that the man is a RINO.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    CRA predates GSA by at least two decades. Dates fo sho'!

    Btw, nice subtle argument that Gingrich isn't a Republican. Dishonest? Of course. Expected from you? Absolutely.
    Where in did I imply Gingrich wasn't a Republican? I swear, you just post **** that fits whatever narrative you decide you want to pursue that day. For several days, despite being shown your errors, you keep implying I'm saying things I never said to make oyur silliness look better.

    Further more, you again show you don't know what you are talking about.

    The bill that ultimately repealed the Act was introduced in the Senate by Phil Gramm (Republican of Texas) and in the House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa) in 1999. The bills were passed by a Republican majority, basically following party lines by a 54–44 vote in the Senate[19] and by a bi-partisan 343–86 vote in the House of Representatives.[20] After passing both the Senate and House the bill was moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. The final bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90–8 (one not voting) and in the House: 362–57 (15 not voting). The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.[21]
    The banking industry had been seeking the repeal of Glass–Steagall since at least the 1980s. In 1987 the Congressional Research Service prepared a report which explored the cases for and against preserving the Glass–Steagall act.[18
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    Gingrich suffered much of the blame for the election loss. Facing another rebellion in the Republican caucus, he announced on November 6, 1998 that he would not only stand down as Speaker, but would leave the House as well. He had been handily reelected to an 11th term in that election, but declined to take his seat. Commenting on his departure, Gingrich said, "I'm willing to lead but I'm not willing to preside over people who are cannibals. My only fear would be that if I tried to stay, it would just overshadow whoever my successor is."[72]
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    See above. Btw, you should get an air freshner.
    I'm refuting DD's comments this is all the making of GWB and the GOP during his years as President. You come bumbling in here, trying to hammer on me...

    Gingrich had nothing to do with the repeal of the GSA, it happened AFTER HE LEFT OFFICE.

    Welcome to history, I know mine, once again you prove you do not. Why do you keep embarrassing yourself like this?
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The fact a democrat is showing support for Huntsman is a pretty good sign that the man is a RINO.
    Awesome, good to know you view Reagan as a RINO since he had a fair bit of Democrat support

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I disagree.....the Republicans ran in 2010 under a JObs JObs Jobs banner.....if they don't deliver...I can't see America giving power to the GOP in the whitehouse and the congress....if they haven't done anything since taking over the congress.
    Shocked, truly shocked you disagree and can't see any way that they'd ever give the GOP power. Really, never would've expected that from you or your immediete attempt to go "Bush bush bush" for another election cycle a few posts later.

    Is it garaunteed the Republicans take it? No. But its a ludicrous notion to suggest that 2 years with 1/3 of government with little change is going to damn the Republicans when we have tanigble historical examples in just the past few years of instances where a party has even more than that and didn't get stuff accomplished they promised to do and still were supported. But I know, I know, its "different" because these guys have the big evil horrible greedy R next to their names

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Shocked, truly shocked you disagree and can't see any way that they'd ever give the GOP power. Really, never would've expected that from you or your immediete attempt to go "Bush bush bush" for another election cycle a few posts later.

    Is it garaunteed the Republicans take it? No. But its a ludicrous notion to suggest that 2 years with 1/3 of government with little change is going to damn the Republicans when we have tanigble historical examples in just the past few years of instances where a party has even more than that and didn't get stuff accomplished they promised to do and still were supported. But I know, I know, its "different" because these guys have the big evil horrible greedy R next to their names

    But Zyph....the GOP hasn't delivered zip since taking over Congress.....they haven't even tried to put anything forward. They were big on talk....but short on actions. How are they going to run on Boner's jobs jobs jobs...when they have offered no solutions?
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Indeed, they've not been able to do much since taking The House. That said, when the Democrats actually did take Congress the two years between election and president election they ran on The WOT, Immigration, Corruption, and Economy.

    They couldn't get a pull out like they campaigned on, they couldn't get Gitmo closed, they couldn't get a Path to Citizenship, they didn't "drain the swamp", and the economy continued to worsen from 2006 to 2008.

    And yet, despite the Democrats being short on tangible actions, they won seats in both houses in 2008.

    That's when they actually DID have Congress, rather than your erronious suggestion that the Republicans "have congress" now when they only have 1/2 of it. And somehow their utter and complete failure didn't hurt the Democrats.

    But shocker of all shockers, in a similar situation dealing with Republicans where they have even less power than the Dem's did at that point, Disney "can't see a way" it would even be possible that Republicans do well in 2012.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    But Zyph....the GOP hasn't delivered zip since taking over Congress.....they haven't even tried to put anything forward. They were big on talk....but short on actions. How are they going to run on Boner's jobs jobs jobs...when they have offered no solutions?
    IMO, while the election probably leans toward President Obama's re-election at this point in time e.g., based on polling, that outcome is not assured. For starters, the Republican field is still fragmented though Governor Romney has built somewhat of a lead. More importantly, the President is probably more vulnerable than most incumbents on account of a still sluggish economy. Structural factors (debt overhang, impact of an asset-bust-driven recession, emergent competitiveness issues, etc.) will likely promote below-trend growth for the time being. Some headwinds from abroad could also further undercut growth.

    Nevertheless, the state of the economy and its near-term prospects will almost certainly be the defining issue. If the unemployment rate is elevated but is on a downward path, I believe he will have a reasonable chance to be re-elected. If the unemployment rate is elevated, but is steady or even rising, his prospects for re-election will be markedly reduced. The public will be looking ahead and narratives about the past will be less relevant.

    Other factors will also shape the outcome. For example, if the Republicans nominate a weak candidate (one who has only narrow appeal, ineffective communication skills, and/or lack of credible experience, etc.), the President's prospects would be enhanced. The same would hold true if Republicans are divided. If a self-inflicted debt crisis erupts over an inability to raise the debt ceiling in a timely fashion, the party that is blamed for the outcome--good intentions would be irrelevant--would likely face a decisive defeat, as the aftermath would include higher risk premia that would add to the nation's structural imbalances via debt service costs and foregone revenue due to a higher cost of capital and slower macroeconomic growth. Most default scenarios would probably cut against the Republicans, the single exception being a short default followed by substantial fiscal consolidation (unlikely). The most likely default scenario would probably be a short default followed by inconclusive fiscal consolidation (lack of a revenue side contribution would likely lead to a lack of mandatory spending reforms). A crisis would force a rapid agreement to raise the debt ceiling even in the absence of significant fiscal consolidation. Neither party would be inclined to drag out such a crisis.

    I still believe that an agreement to raise the debt ceiling coupled with modest fiscal consolidation (larger items would be expressed in terms of goals, targets, caps, etc., for which policy details would need to be devised later) is still the most likely outcome, even in the face of the current suspension of negotiations.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    But Zyph....the GOP hasn't delivered zip since taking over Congress.....they haven't even tried to put anything forward. They were big on talk....but short on actions. How are they going to run on Boner's jobs jobs jobs...when they have offered no solutions?
    What have the Dems delivered?
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    I actually prefer Huntsman more than Obama. He's a moderate Republican, fiscal conservative and liberal on political issues (like me)
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Huntsman seems to be a very pragmatic individual, who puts whats good for the nation ahead of political party. He was Obama's Ambassador to China. He wasn't picked for political reasons, but because he is fluent in 2 dialects of Chinese. He is not a religious zealot either. Although he is Mormon, he is raising an adopted child according to her Hindu beliefs. Huntsman is not a birther nutter either, nor does he bash Obama only for the sake of bashing Obama, but his arguments are based on reality. He represents mainstream America more than any other Republican candidate.

    For the above reasons, I believe that Huntsman has the ability to siphon off moderate Democrats, and I believe that Obama has plenty to be worried about if Huntsman is nominated. The question is whether or not Huntsman can keep the idealogue base. Based on their hatred of Obama, I believe that they will come out and vote for Huntsman.

    IMHO, Huntsman is an excellent choice for the GOP.
    Lucky for us dems though he's too moderate to ever get nominated by the wackos in the GOP.

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