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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    he'll also just "reform" Obamacare a little bit more
    Not a chance unless we lose badly during the congressional election, which is unusual to occur when you win the Presidential election. He was willing to sign into law a reform package in Utah that was very similar to the type of style Republicans want, there's no reason to think he'd Veto a repeal of Obamacare nor is there any reason to believe that a republican heavy congress wouldn't vote to repeal it with Obama out of the office.

    He may prefer a different one, but history and action rather than rhetoric shows he's absolutely fine with backing and signing reform that looks like what the Republicans want.

    push amnesty for illegals
    Would go directly against a statement he made prior to running for office where he stated we must secure the border first. If he wants to push for it AFTER we secure the border, I've got significantly less issue with it, specifically since 1) it'd get watered down significantly by a republican congress and 2) he's not for outright amnesty, ala Ronald Reagan, but a path of citizenship which is a slightly more laborious and punishment inclusive process.

    Its a negative on his account, but again not something I'm very worried about in reality.

    and sign on to the next Kyoto.
    This I do think is the only likely one out of the lot, and I dislike it. That said, I'd trust him only to sign it if he had good reason to believe it'd have a negligable impact on business or that they'd put other polices in place to negate the negative impact on busines to an extent. I also would happily take that and live with it if most of the other things I suggested occured, especially considering most of the people in the race currently who wouldn't do this are people who I think would have a much lower chance of defeating Obama imho.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

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    Not a chance unless we lose badly during the congressional election, which is unusual to occur when you win the Presidential election.

    Although this will be an interesting election....it is going to be hard for Republicans to retain congress while trying to argue that we need to change direction. If the economy is still struggling, it doesn't speak well for the Republicans that said, give us congress and we will make things better. The Republican congress hasn't done **** since gaining control....except for trying to appease the right-wing with their social agenda items. What happened to Boner's jobs jobs jobs cry?
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Although this will be an interesting election....it is going to be hard for Republicans to retain congress while trying to argue that we need to change direction. If the economy is still struggling, it doesn't speak well for the Republicans that said, give us congress and we will make things better. The Republican congress hasn't done **** since gaining control....except for trying to appease the right-wing with their social agenda items. What happened to Boner's jobs jobs jobs cry?
    Not really. The Republicans have 1 of the 3 important branches to get anything done, and most people voting at least know Presidents have Veto power and that things must go through both houses. Its far easier for the Republicans to say they've not been given a chance to really implement their plans in 2012 than Democrats could honestly do in 2010.

    It'd be more like 2008, when things didn't get much better under a Democrat ran ENTIRE congress and they blamed it on a troublesome President.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not really. The Republicans have 1 of the 3 important branches to get anything done, and most people voting at least know Presidents have Veto power and that things must go through both houses. Its far easier for the Republicans to say they've not been given a chance to really implement their plans in 2012 than Democrats could honestly do in 2010.

    It'd be more like 2008, when things didn't get much better under a Democrat ran ENTIRE congress and they blamed it on a troublesome President.
    I disagree.....the Republicans ran in 2010 under a JObs JObs Jobs banner.....if they don't deliver...I can't see America giving power to the GOP in the whitehouse and the congress....if they haven't done anything since taking over the congress.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Plus....do you REALLY think that America is really ready to give complete power back to the party that got us into this mess in the first place?
    Seriously?
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Plus....do you REALLY think that America is really ready to give complete power back to the party that got us into this mess in the first place?
    Seriously?
    The GOP didn't, that's where your fail begins, it ends with thinking it's getting better under Obama's "leadership"
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The GOP didn't, that's where your fail begins, it ends with thinking it's getting better under Obama's "leadership"
    Oh c'mon Vich.....even the most partisan person has to admit that the latest mess is a result of GWB and the GOP.....the best you can argue is that you would do it better the next time...but to deny responsibility for screwing up the country is just plain and simply denial.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The GOP didn't, that's where your fail begins, it ends with thinking it's getting better under Obama's "leadership"
    Gringrich's repeal of the GSA says otherwise. Not to mention the loose monetary policy of Greenspan. And the overall reduction in any enforcement of regulation by the SEC under Dubya.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Gringrich's repeal of the GSA says otherwise. Not to mention the loose monetary policy of Greenspan. And the overall reduction in any enforcement of regulation by the SEC under Dubya.
    Uh huh. Freddie Mae, Fannie Mac, that's where the blame lies, and in the Glass Stegal Act being repealed, in fact the seeds were planted for this mess in the Community reInvestment Act. But that would require a knowledge of what was going on, not "out of my ass" commentary.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Uh huh. Freddie Mae, Fannie Mac, that's where the blame lies, and in the Glass Stegal Act being repealed, in fact the seeds were planted for this mess in the Community reInvestment Act.
    CRA predates GSA by at least two decades. Dates fo sho'!

    Btw, nice subtle argument that Gingrich isn't a Republican. Dishonest? Of course. Expected from you? Absolutely.

    But that would require a knowledge of what was going on, not "out of my ass" commentary.
    See above. Btw, you should get an air freshner.
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