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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    WHAAAAAT?

    I thought you said he's a Washington outsider. I thought we didn't need more Washington Insiders. Yet now you're telling me he's got experience because he was the epitome of a Washington insider as a LOBBYIST.

    You're going all over the place.
    A lobbyist is not the same as owing people for votes

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

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    Jon Huntsman: McCain on Wheels - Michelle Malkin - National Review Online

    AND he's a DREAM Act supporter?

    I did not know this. That's a nail in the coffin right there.
    I'm sorry, but Malkin is going to have to provide some kind of evidence of this to show she's not just echo chambering. This is like the article that ptif posted earlier that claimed he was for amnesty, and then provided no proof.

    I can find nothing showing Huntsman supporting the dream act other than a bunch of people essentially linking to each other stating he supports the dream act. The only two things I have of any record that he's stated about immigration are that:

    He's threatened to veto a measure that would repeal in-state college tuition for the children of illegal immigrants...not, not illegal immigrant children, but children of illegals. While we may not like the law, the law now is that children born in this country to illegal immigrants are citizens, and we shouldn't be denying citizens rights granted to others based on the wrong doings of their parents.

    He's also stated he hates the thought of a border fence and that it to an extent repulses him because its not consistent with the image projected by America. At the very same time though he said that situation we are in today leaves us without a choice and that we have got to secure our border before we even begin to discuss what happens with those here illegally. He thinks there's a better way then simply sending 12 million people back as the only option, but that we must secure the border FIRST.

    Those are the only two actual views he's publicly stated or legislative action he's actually taken. In my research thus far I have found ZERO quotes from him directed towards support of amnesty nor the dream act.

    If Malkin has some kind of actual quote or something to link to other than this echo chamber ffect going around I'd love to hear it.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    A lobbyist is not the same as owing people for votes
    Weren't you accusing me earlier of moving the message?

    First it was that he wasn't a washington insider, now its that he doesn't owe people votes?

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Ive got a thought for you, if Huntsman wins and we get more conservative legislators in the Senate and possibly the house (house unlikely, Senate probably), Huntsman will get nothing but conservative proposals. I dont see him backing away from those kinds of bills and I do think he will appoint conservative judges and rein in things like EPA and ATF and possibly make some major needed changes at treasury and the Fed.

    With Huntsman, I think the legislature will set the agenda but executive regulation needs to be trimmed a ton, I think Huntsman can and will do that.
    The healthcare thing doesnt thrill me, however.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Look at post # 102. He is a liberal keep trying but it will not work.


    Huntsman's Liberal Policies as Governor Pose Challenge - FoxNews.com
    I saw post 102, it made the same unsubstantiated claim that yours made.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I can find nothing showing Huntsman supporting the dream act other than a bunch of people essentially linking to each other stating he supports the dream act.



    ...but he also said the following.

    "I hate the thought of a fence on the border. As an American, the thought of a fence to some extent repulses me, because it is not consistent with the image that we projected to the rest of the world. But the situation is such today that I don't think we have a choice, and before we begin the conversation of processing 11 or 12 million undocumented workers, we've got to secure the border. There's got to be an alternative rather than sending people back. That's unrealistic," he said.

    So wait...it's possible to have MORE THAN ONE SOLUTION TO THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE? Has the world gone mad?!?
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It is I want a conservative not another liberal. If you want a liberal just vote democrat
    Actually I want a fiscal conservative, so I'll be voting for a fiscal conservative in the primary thank you very much. If you don't like the nomination, go vote third party just as I will if I'm not happy with the nominee.

    Sorry ptif, your decree of who is or isn't a liberal doesn't mean jack ****.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So you're telling me putting support behind non-conservative issues a handful of times means on can not possibly be that type of conservative regardless of anything else they do?

    This is your stance? Just want to make certain so I can hold you to that.
    A "couple of things"?
    These are BIG things Z, not little things. Notice, not once have I brought up his gay marriage stance.

    Cap and trade, that's huge. His "government run healthcare" stance, that's huge. His support for the DREAM ACT, that's huge. These aren't small issues Z.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Here's my thing on Cap and trade. You're going off years old comments concerning the specific federal level cap and trade, and one thing he did at a state level. On the flip side, you're ignoring a ton of evidence suggesting that he doesn't pass legislation that kills business, but rather has a STERLING record of supporting business and promoting an environment that creates business.
    Years old?
    From the story: " 'It hasn't worked,' he says now, ‘and our economy's in a different place than five years ago.' Until it recovers, he adds, ‘this isn't the moment' to keep trying."

    Huntsman may not be particularly troubled by the change, though, because he is in good company in the GOP field: His fellow former Republican governors have done the same.

    Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney similarly supported a regional cap-and-trade system in New England, but he backed away from it in his recent book, "No Apology: Believe in America." Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty also has offered a mea culpa on the issue, which he volunteered again at last week's miniature Republican debate in South Carolina.
    RealClearPolitics - Huntsman Backs Away From Cap and Trade

    He was for it, then the economy tanked, now he's against it.. till the economy picks back up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    The man policies grew his states GDP by I believe 8.5 billion a year, almost triple the normal growth for the U.S. His state, even with the green law he signed onto, was ranked routinely in the top 3 and at times as the number one state in the entire country to start a business in. His tax laws were considered extremely business family and he's stated and made good on the fact that economic development was one of this top goals.
    I applaud his tax stance, and think he has the right on it there.
    BUT...

    Unfortunately, his record is not nearly as good on the spending side of the ledger. During his time in office, he proposed spending hikes in excess of 6 percent annually, well above the growth in Utahans’ personal income. In fact, measured in terms of percentage growth, Huntsman was one of the biggest-spending governors in the nation.
    Scoring Huntsman - Michael Tanner - National Review Online

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    To me, results and actions matter more to me than one off possibly political posturing quotes made years ago or the analysis of some random writer in the media. And the mans track record is not with KILLING business, but expanding them.
    I look at the man's actions and his stated intent. He signed up on Cap and Trade, then he says it's not the right time for it. Ergo, he's FOR Cap and Trade, just not right now.
    He made some real tax changes, but was, a big spender.

    He supports Government run healthcare, and I cannot back a candidate that does, nor do I support someone that backs the DREAM Act.


    I bring these links up merely to show a difference of opinion on his record, you see sunshine and rainbows, I see duplicity.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    ...but he also said the following.

    So wait...it's possible to have MORE THAN ONE SOLUTION TO THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE? Has the world gone mad?!?
    Can't see the video, which may be why I couldn't find anything as I've been having to look at writing. What'd he say in the video?

    And I agree, we can't just deport 12 million people. It'd be far to costly and require to much of an expansion of government to manage it.

    However, we could absolutely as we secure the border and after ramp up our enforcement of the laws, crack down on businesses employing them, and pass laws that limit their access to public services all of which discourages their staying in this country. We can create a more streamlined and simple immigration process and work visa program to lower the available jobs to them and incentive to come over. Then if we are actually enforcing our laws and we've actually secured our borders and we've actually reworked our policy then we can possibly look at a path to citizenship of some sort for those still here.

    And for anyone that claims "OMG YOU CAN'T BE CONSERVATIVE IF YOU SUPPORT THAT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM" I do hope I never hear the word Reagan ever leave their mouth when talking about conservatism.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm sorry, but Malkin is going to have to provide some kind of evidence of this to show she's not just echo chambering. This is like the article that ptif posted earlier that claimed he was for amnesty, and then provided no proof.

    I can find nothing showing Huntsman supporting the dream act other than a bunch of people essentially linking to each other stating he supports the dream act. The only two things I have of any record that he's stated about immigration are that:

    He's threatened to veto a measure that would repeal in-state college tuition for the children of illegal immigrants...not, not illegal immigrant children, but children of illegals. While we may not like the law, the law now is that children born in this country to illegal immigrants are citizens, and we shouldn't be denying citizens rights granted to others based on the wrong doings of their parents.

    He's also stated he hates the thought of a border fence and that it to an extent repulses him because its not consistent with the image projected by America. At the very same time though he said that situation we are in today leaves us without a choice and that we have got to secure our border before we even begin to discuss what happens with those here illegally. He thinks there's a better way then simply sending 12 million people back as the only option, but that we must secure the border FIRST.

    Those are the only two actual views he's publicly stated or legislative action he's actually taken. In my research thus far I have found ZERO quotes from him directed towards support of amnesty nor the dream act.

    If Malkin has some kind of actual quote or something to link to other than this echo chamber ffect going around I'd love to hear it.
    Check link on post 102

    They're likely to cringe at others, including his support of cap and trade as a response to climate change, his backing of civil unions for gay couples, and his support for in-state tuition for illegal immigrants.


    Read more: Huntsman's Liberal Policies as Governor Pose Challenge - FoxNews.com

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