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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You mean he is not a Washington insider that will give us more of the same we have had for the last 20 years or so
    Yes yes, hope and change from an "outsider" without much Washington insider experience who told us lack of executive experience didn't matter. This show sounds familiar.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    While state governments across the country are rejecting or repealing onerous cap-and-trade environmental regulations, Huntsman is a climate-change Republican who backed radical emissions limits and “green job” fantasies. Just like McCain 1.0 did.

    While state governments across the country follow Arizona’s immigration-enforcement model and Washington repeatedly rejects mass-amnesty programs in the face of 9 percent unemployment, Huntsman supports the costly DREAM Act, an illegal-alien bailout with a wider “path to citizenship.” Just like McCain 1.0 did.

    While state governments reined in middle-class entitlement spending and Washington turned to means-testing, Huntsman turned SCHIP’s government-funded health plan for low-income children into a universal health-insurance mandate. McCain 1.0 was for SCHIP before he was against it.
    Jon Huntsman: McCain on Wheels - Michelle Malkin - National Review Online

    AND he's a DREAM Act supporter?

    I did not know this. That's a nail in the coffin right there.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You forget his spending. Cherry picking he is known as a moderate so yes he is left leaning or liberal if you prefer or he would not be called moderate. He offers nothings for conservatives just more of the same failed policies
    I don't forget his spending. The Cato institute report your own link referenced ranks him as the 5th best Governor in the country in regards to fiscal issues. Yes, they criticize his spending as a problem compared to the top people, but its like saying Greg Maddux had an attrocious fast ball and couldn't swing the bat well or saying Shaq sucks at free throws. Its true, and its a knock, but its trying to pick at something small because overall he's pretty good but you gotta find something to critique.

    His spending was slightly higher than roundly regarded as conservative governor Palin and was LOWER than roundly regarded as conservative governor Pawlenty. His spending as percentage of GDP also went down during his tenure.

    I'm not forgetting his spending, his spending comparitive to other "conservatives" is at best mildly questionable.

    But yes, he offers nothing for conservatives. You keep saying that. I am happy to know you aren't for securing the border first, lower taxes, business friendly policies, being a staunch ally to Israel, lowering the percentage of government spending comparitive to GDP, and other such things. Happy to learn those aren't conservative issues.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Cain was lobbyist so he may know more that you think
    WHAAAAAT?

    I thought you said he's a Washington outsider. I thought we didn't need more Washington Insiders. Yet now you're telling me he's got experience because he was the epitome of a Washington insider as a LOBBYIST.

    You're going all over the place.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Romney is Mormon.
    So is Huntsman

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    A lobbyist FOR THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY. Not really a political cause there, huh chief?

    And hey, if he's a lobbyist doesn't that make him an insider? So which is it, ptif? Is he a Washington outsider or a lobbyist?

    Every position the man has held relates to pizza and food. He has zero policy-making experience.
    A loobyist is not part of the washington insiders as much as they are salesman

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Huntsman was rated higher than both Governors running currently for the Republican nomination and the presumed candidate Palin when it comes to taxes and lowering them.

    Huntsman spending was slightly higher than Palin's (1.2bil compared to 0.8bil), slightly lower than Pawlenty's (1.2bil compared to 1.5bil), and all of them fail in comparison strikingly to Romney whose states spending went up on average 0.1 billion a year under his watch.

    Huntsmans GDP went up 8% per year, besting Palin's 1.5% but falling a bit behind Pawlenty's 12%. Both Huntsman and Pawlenty lowered government spending as a percent of GDP by 2% compared to when they took office, while Palin grew hers by 2%. I didn't have GDP info for Romney.

    So really, unless we're calling Pawlenty someone whose not good for "lower spending" I don't see how we could say Huntsman isn't.

    As far as Entitlements, Huntsman has came out in favor of the Ryan Budget plan which significantly changes one of our largest entitlement programs to make it more cost effective.
    No link I see. Keep trying but Huntman is a liberal and this country does not need another liberal that wants cap and trade and universial healthcare and will continue to spend.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    How can a man that supports Obamacare/UHC style healthcare and Cap and Trade be considered a fiscal conservative?
    So you're telling me putting support behind non-conservative issues a handful of times means on can not possibly be that type of conservative regardless of anything else they do?

    This is your stance? Just want to make certain so I can hold you to that.

    That to me, is why cannot be the candidate, I want Obamacare, GONE, I want this madness of "Cap and Trade" or other business killing greenie bull****, buried into teh ash heap of history where they belong.
    Here's my thing on Cap and trade. You're going off years old comments concerning the specific federal level cap and trade, and one thing he did at a state level. On the flip side, you're ignoring a ton of evidence suggesting that he doesn't pass legislation that kills business, but rather has a STERLING record of supporting business and promoting an environment that creates business.

    The man policies grew his states GDP by I believe 8.5 billion a year, almost triple the normal growth for the U.S. His state, even with the green law he signed onto, was ranked routinely in the top 3 and at times as the number one state in the entire country to start a business in. His tax laws were considered extremely business family and he's stated and made good on the fact that economic development was one of this top goals.

    To me, results and actions matter more to me than one off possibly political posturing quotes made years ago or the analysis of some random writer in the media. And the mans track record is not with KILLING business, but expanding them.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes yes, hope and change from an "outsider" without much Washington insider experience who told us lack of executive experience didn't matter. This show sounds familiar.
    It is I want a conservative not another liberal. If you want a liberal just vote democrat

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I don't forget his spending. The Cato institute report your own link referenced ranks him as the 5th best Governor in the country in regards to fiscal issues. Yes, they criticize his spending as a problem compared to the top people, but its like saying Greg Maddux had an attrocious fast ball and couldn't swing the bat well or saying Shaq sucks at free throws. Its true, and its a knock, but its trying to pick at something small because overall he's pretty good but you gotta find something to critique.

    His spending was slightly higher than roundly regarded as conservative governor Palin and was LOWER than roundly regarded as conservative governor Pawlenty. His spending as percentage of GDP also went down during his tenure.

    I'm not forgetting his spending, his spending comparitive to other "conservatives" is at best mildly questionable.

    But yes, he offers nothing for conservatives. You keep saying that. I am happy to know you aren't for securing the border first, lower taxes, business friendly policies, being a staunch ally to Israel, lowering the percentage of government spending comparitive to GDP, and other such things. Happy to learn those aren't conservative issues.
    Look at post # 102. He is a liberal keep trying but it will not work.


    Huntsman's Liberal Policies as Governor Pose Challenge - FoxNews.com

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