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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The polls are all over the place. I expect to see a conservative. I think Huntsman has little chance. I feel the same about Romney

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    For me, it's too soon to speculate who will win. I do believe one can begin to guess who won't win (Santorum, Pawlenty, Cain, Gingrich, Paul, Giuliani, if he enters) given either their debate performance and/or narrow appeal. Romney is arguably the frontrunner, but his lead is not solid. The field is fragmented and a lot can change. Additional new entrants cannot be ruled out.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Sop tell me about Obam's leadership and budgets he met annd the people he put to work.
    Why?

    Obama had little responsibility in those jobs as far as keeping people working or budgets.
    And Cain had little dealing with how to get legislation drafted and passed, matters of military issues, dealings with foreign governments, meetinsg with dignitaries, how to set up a budget from a government stand point, and i can go on and on.

    Yes, Obama was inexperienced. No ****. I've been saying that for a while now. The difference is I'm not making excuses why the inexperienced guy on my side...or as you put it "The GOP Blackman"...is magically perfectly capable.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Cain is politically untested, but I believe he's a stronger candidate then you give him credit for.
    Perhaps, but his debate performance provided no indication of such strength. During the debate, I was looking for him to articulate why his business experience was relevant to the big challenges facing the nation and why such experience gave him an edge over his rivals. That did not happen.

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    For me, it's too soon to speculate who will win. I do believe one can begin to guess who won't win (Santorum, Pawlenty, Cain, Gingrich, Paul, Giuliani, if he enters) given either their debate performance and/or narrow appeal. Romney is arguably the frontrunner, but his lead is not solid. The field is fragmented and a lot can change. Additional new entrants cannot be ruled out.
    Romney will do the same he did in 2008

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Why?



    And Cain had little dealing with how to get legislation drafted and passed, matters of military issues, dealings with foreign governments, meetinsg with dignitaries, how to set up a budget from a government stand point, and i can go on and on.

    Yes, Obama was inexperienced. No ****. I've been saying that for a while now. The difference is I'm not making excuses why the inexperienced guy on my side...or as you put it "The GOP Blackman"...is magically perfectly capable.
    Cain was lobbyist so he may know more that you think

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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    My support for Huntsman Vicc has nothing to do with the notion that we cannot dare back a Conservative leader. My singular view point regarding that is we cannot dare back someone who wants to make social conservatism the primary focal point of their campaign...such as Santorum has promised to do at the recent debate. Look at almost any social issue in this country and you'll see that there is NOT a strong split to either side. Focusing heavily on gay marriage, which ultimately is going to come down to the courts because a constitutional amendment is highly unlikely, and abortion, which ultimately is a court issue at this point, is a useless endevour in the current climate.

    We're at a climate where Fiscal and Governmental issues are the most important things for the majority of Americans...Liberal, Conservative, or Moderate. Now, contrary to what you suggest, I think we need someone who is distinctly conservative in those areas to be able to capitalize on it. For the first time in decades I think we are in the position to substantially win over Independents and "Reagan Democrats" in substantial numbers and turn them onto conservatism. NOT "become moderate and get them" but actually turn them onto Conservatism, or at the least fiscal and governmental conservatism.

    The thing is though, its VERY possible to be fiscally and governmentally conservative but socially moderate or liberal. And the problem with social issues is they generally are also the most EMOTIONAL issues. If we focus heavily on emotional controversial social issues during an election that those aren't really heavily on the public at larges mind we risk blowing this chance to actually attract new people under the Big Tent and losing.

    So when I'm looking at what candidate I'm wanting to support, first and foremost in this election I am following Tea Party philosophy and I'm looking SINGULARLY at Fiscal and Governmental Conservative credentials first off. Next, personally, I look to see if they're going to focus on that or if they're going to push for a Social Conservative agenda just as much...and specifically if they're going to push for a BIG GOVERNMENT Conservative agenda such as those advocating cahnging the constitution to for the first time since prohibition RESTRICT people not government from doing something. Ditto in regards to their foreign/military policy. After that I start going into the various tertiary things such as their experience, their electability, their political savy, etc.

    There is no perfect candidate right now. I've got issues with all of them. Huntsman is not 100% ideal perfect guy for me. However, he's as good fiscally and governmentally in my mind as any of the other candidates. Does he have some blemishes? Yes. On the flip side though, he has far more accomplishments, experience, and actual credentials regarding his fiscal and governmental conservative traits than those who lack the blemishes save for POSSIBLY Santorum and Paul. However, Santorum fails #2 for me as he's a big government social conservative who plans to make social issues a major portion of his campaign. And Paul fails for a bit for me in regards to the military policy and many of the tertiary issues.

    Huntsman is a top 3 guy for me in this crowd currently with regards to fiscal and governmental conservatism. He fits the bill as someone whose not going to make social issues a major part of his campaign. He seems to be similar to a 2000 George Bush in regards to foreign policy which is a thumbs up from me. He's got the best experience out of ANYONE on either side in this as both a Govenor, cabinet like positions under Presidents, and as an Ambassador. He's got solid past conservative credentials serving Reagan and both Bush's while he has a good shield from some Obama attacks due to being Ambassador under him. It also allows him to show he honestly seeks to serve the country, where he walks that walk rather than Obama who simply talked about "bipartisanship" and "Post partisanship".

    Is he perfect? No, but his entire package, to me, is the best. And not because I want a "moderate" or a "liberal" or someone whose not a "conservative", because that's not true. I am a Tea Partier and my concerns are FISCAL AND GOVERNMENTAL conservatism, just like the Contract From America states, and to me he's solidly that kind of conservative. And I wouldn't have it any other way with the candidate I support.
    How can a man that supports Obamacare/UHC style healthcare and Cap and Trade be considered a fiscal conservative?

    That to me, is why cannot be the candidate, I want Obamacare, GONE, I want this madness of "Cap and Trade" or other business killing greenie bull****, buried into teh ash heap of history where they belong.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Perhaps, but his debate performance provided no indication of such strength. During the debate, I was looking for him to articulate why his business experience was relevant to the big challenges facing the nation and why such experience gave him an edge over his rivals. That did not happen.
    I agree, and his lack of political experience showed there, how he moves forward will tell the tale.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Could there me more to this than meets the eye?

    What good reason could Reid have for endorsing a Republican?

    Could it be that Reid wants someone to run he believes Obama can beat?

    Or is it a chance to play the Mormon card?

    We went through this with JFK and people playing the Catholic card which in the end was a specious argument and had no affect on his day to day running of the Oval Office.
    Romney is Mormon.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Cain was lobbyist so he may know more that you think
    A lobbyist FOR THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY. Not really a political cause there, huh chief?

    And hey, if he's a lobbyist doesn't that make him an insider? So which is it, ptif? Is he a Washington outsider or a lobbyist?

    Every position the man has held relates to pizza and food. He has zero policy-making experience.
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    Re: Top Dem picks Huntsman

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I am talking about lower taxes, lower spending, a balanced budget, less entitelments.
    Huntsman was rated higher than both Governors running currently for the Republican nomination and the presumed candidate Palin when it comes to taxes and lowering them.

    Huntsman spending was slightly higher than Palin's (1.2bil compared to 0.8bil), slightly lower than Pawlenty's (1.2bil compared to 1.5bil), and all of them fail in comparison strikingly to Romney whose states spending went up on average 0.1 billion a year under his watch.

    Huntsmans GDP went up 8% per year, besting Palin's 1.5% but falling a bit behind Pawlenty's 12%. Both Huntsman and Pawlenty lowered government spending as a percent of GDP by 2% compared to when they took office, while Palin grew hers by 2%. I didn't have GDP info for Romney.

    So really, unless we're calling Pawlenty someone whose not good for "lower spending" I don't see how we could say Huntsman isn't.

    As far as Entitlements, Huntsman has came out in favor of the Ryan Budget plan which significantly changes one of our largest entitlement programs to make it more cost effective.

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