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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Ah, the media has their new John McCain. Wishy washy on everything.

    Republicans will do well to avoid those kind of candidates this time around, and pick a true conservative, which wins with voters but gets pummelled by the media.

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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post

    Thanks for the live feed, After watching it, I don't know if anyone can win the Presidency against Obama waging the civil, nice approach. Obama is specifically shooting for raising $1Billion to wage his campaign, and you can bet that since Obama can't run on any success he has had in his first term, that money will be attack money....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Ah, the media has their new John McCain. Wishy washy on everything.

    Republicans will do well to avoid those kind of candidates this time around, and pick a true conservative, which wins with voters but gets pummelled by the media.
    That thinking is why 1. Hunstman won't win, and 2. the eventual GOP candidate is going to lose to Obama.

    "True conservatives" don't win President very often, and if Obama can get half as many people riled up to get him a second term, its a done deal.
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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    That thinking is why 1. Hunstman won't win, and 2. the eventual GOP candidate is going to lose to Obama.

    "True conservatives" don't win President very often, and if Obama can get half as many people riled up to get him a second term, its a done deal.
    If he has half as many votes then he won't win unless the opposition gets no votes. That's just crappy math. I wouldn't be confident about any scenario at this point, to be honest.
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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Ah, the media has their new John McCain.
    Yea, I forgot that the media gets to vote for the Republican candidate, lol.
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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    That thinking is why 1. Hunstman won't win, and 2. the eventual GOP candidate is going to lose to Obama.

    "True conservatives" don't win President very often, and if Obama can get half as many people riled up to get him a second term, its a done deal.
    Wrong and wrong.

    Obama has lost the independents, which got him elected last time.

    True conservatives win. Reagan did it, Bush 1 did it until he went liberal and raised taxes, and Bush 2 did it. That's 5 of the last 8 elections, and if Perot never reared his head, it might have been 7 of 8.

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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Wrong and wrong.

    Obama has lost the independents, which got him elected last time.
    No he has not lost anything till the election result comes in. Now I would agree that he might have a very hard time convincing them to vote for him this time around, but that is not the same as loosing them. It will all depend on who runs against him. Independents might think that the Republican candidate is a radical freak and dangerous and vote for Obama just to avoid the GOP candidate. Or the GOP might just find (and pigs will fly) a viable candidate with not too many skeletons in the closet and more centrist views that independents like and then the GOP would have a great chance over Obama.

    But Huntsman aint that... Obama would trounce him on personality alone. Not that he stands a chance to get past the GOP radical right wing primaries.

    True conservatives win. Reagan did it,
    HAHAH Reagan a true conservative.. MR. Raise taxes and explode the national debt and lie to the American people? Reagan was about as "true" conservative as Lenin was a free marketeer.

    Bush 1 did it until he went liberal and raised taxes,
    Was just following his mentors ways... you know Reagan. Not to mention he went up against a very charismatic Clinton... Bush 1 was rather dull..

    and Bush 2 did it.
    Wait a minute, people on the right on these boards constantly try to claim he was no conservative... let alone a "True Conservative"...not to mention... doubled the national debt, and allowed the biggest financial collapse since 1929..For a "true conservative" he did have a lot of deficits.... and borrowed a buttload of money to cover it... very "conservative" of him..

    That's 5 of the last 8 elections, and if Perot never reared his head, it might have been 7 of 8.
    All the GOP President went towards the middle and not towards the right to win... that is the only reason they won and can win. Same goes for the Dems btw.
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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    But Huntsman aint that... Obama would trounce him on personality alone.
    ...uh, no. How many Huntsman speeches have you seen? He easily has more personality than anyone in this race.

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    HAHAH Reagan a true conservative.. MR. Raise taxes and explode the national debt and lie to the American people? Reagan was about as "true" conservative as Lenin was a free marketeer.
    What a silly talking point. The top marginal tax rate went down, the tax code was simplified, ans the 1986 budget was revenue neutral. He shifted the burden of specific taxes, yes, but to say that he was a tax hiker by principle is asinine.
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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Wrong and wrong.

    Obama has lost the independents, which got him elected last time.

    True conservatives win. Reagan did it, Bush 1 did it until he went liberal and raised taxes, and Bush 2 did it. That's 5 of the last 8 elections, and if Perot never reared his head, it might have been 7 of 8.
    There's no way you can reconcile calling GWB a "true conservative" both in his first election campaign and his second election campaign. The history of what he did in office and his rhetoric were significantly different.

    In 2004 Bush ran on continuing to increase the federal budget and deficit. He continued a campaign of nation building. He had saw to the creation of a new federal agency, expanded federal control in schools, and created a new segment of an entitlement program.

    In 2004 Bush ran as a SOCIAL conservative that was moderate to average at best at fiscal issues and was liberal when it came to governmental issues.

    If that's a "True Conservative" how is Huntsman, whose at least on part with Bush fiscally, is less conservative socially but more conservative governmentally, a "moderate"?

    You can't reconcile calling both 2000 Bush and 2004 Bush a "True Conservative" candidate. Not unless you're simply meaning "True Social Conservative" but just leaving the social word out because you know that's not really all there is to be a conservative.

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