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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

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    But as Rubin also pointed out, Huntsman’s biggest problem with the conservative base, should he decide to run, would be his devotion to cap and trade policies. And never was it on display more prominently than when then-Gov. Huntsman signed the Western Climate Initiative (WCI).

    The WCI is an alliance of states and provinces along the western edge of North America seeking to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and lay the groundwork for a regional cap and trade system.

    Hunstman signed onto the initiative in 2007, and was one of only two Republican governors to do so. The other was former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    Then there’s the governor’s Blue Ribbon Advisory Council (BRAC) on Climate Change. Established by Hunstsman in 2006, it was intended to be a “forum where government, industry, environment, and community representatives could identify proactive measures” to reduce greenhouse gases.

    BRAC’s final report found, among other things, that “based on extensive scientific research, there is very high confidence that human-generated increases in greenhouse gas concentrations are responsible for most of the global warming observed during the past 50 years.”

    The report’s recommendations included calling for the state of Utah to promote “urban and community trees” and implement a greenhouse gases registry, greenhouse gas reductions targets, and a regional or state cap and trade program or tax.

    Huntsman was even quoted in 2009 as saying, “It’s been enormously frustrating…We would not need the Western Climate Initiative if it were not for the foot-dragging nature of Congress.”

    “If Republicans had identified this problem earlier and tackled it aggressively, we would all be working together,” he said.

    Moreover, in his statement to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee after being nominate to serve as ambassador to China, Huntsman once again stressed the threat of climate change.

    “We have entered an era in which all nations are called upon to work together to address the urgent problem of global climate change. The United States and China should be part of the solution, and collaboration on clean energy and greater energy efficiency offer a real opportunity to deepen the overall U.S.-China relationship,” said Huntsman.

    While Huntsman may appeal to an audience of liberal Republicans and some more conservative Democrats, few believe that the conservative Republican base would likely to support him.



    Read more: Jon Huntsman’s cap and trade record could be significant barrier in 2012 run | The Daily Caller
    When Jon Huntsman was the governor of Utah, he proposed a healthcare plan, which looked remarkably similar to RomneyCare and ObamaCare legislation. The only difference, RomneyCare passed state legislation and was signed into law and ObamaCare passed federal legislation and was signed into law, while Utah lawmakers firmly rejected Huntsman’s mandates.
    Politico reports that, “conservatives have been attacking Jon Huntsman over his previous flirtation with an individual mandate as governor of Utah – but a Huntsman noted that the series of laws that the governor eventually signed into law ultimately lacked a requirement that citizens purchase insurance. But it raises the question – what exactly was the health care bill that Huntsman signed into law as governor of Utah?”
    Huntsman cannot be the nominee.

    As for my choice, I'm waiting for the field to narrow down, filter out, no candidate is perfect. Cain's a good guy with lots of potential but his lack of political experience leaves him vulnerable to mistakes, Romney has Romneycare and his big government leanings like an anchor aroudn his neck, Bachman has a piss poor media image and is liable to "Palin'd"...

    I'd to see someone like Col. Allen West (ain't happening) but he's a great guy that I think if he really wanted it, could make a serious run at the WH. Same thing with Rubio.

    Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, just hours after announcing his bid for the White House Tuesday, called for an "aggressive drawdown" of troops in Afghanistan.

    Though Huntsman said he didn't have "specifics" on a plan for withdrawal, he said the U.S. "should begin a fairly aggressive drawdown," while "leaving behind a counter-terror effort that is appropriately matched to the threat we face."



    Read more: Huntsman Calls for 'Aggressive Drawdown' in Afghanistan - FoxNews.com
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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Ah, the media has their new John McCain. Wishy washy on everything.
    Depends on how you define wishy washy. Sure he's flipped on the stimulus, but not on civil unions.

    Republicans will do well to avoid those kind of candidates this time around, and pick a true conservative, which wins with voters but gets pummelled by the media.
    "True Conservative" what the hell is that? Someone who bails out social security? expands government to huge proportions? Signs one of the biggest tax hikes in history? Guess who I'm talking about?
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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes, he does feel that an individual mandate is an okay thing. A sentiment shared by a the Republican Party at large not too long ago but has been abandoned primarily because of the method in which its implimented in the Obama plan and the ramifications of the political backdoors it's there to allow for.
    I think you and I both know that it was abandoned by most or at least a large minority of Republicans for political expediency more so than anything else. If Obama would have proposed single payer and a well known Republican would have countered with individual mandate you would hear virtually no talk of it being unconstitutional or a government takeover of healthcare imo. Not saying that the Republicans are the only ones that have ever done this or anything like that. Just that some of them are guilty of it in this case.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    That thinking is why 1. Hunstman won't win, and 2. the eventual GOP candidate is going to lose to Obama.

    "True conservatives" don't win President very often, and if Obama can get half as many people riled up to get him a second term, its a done deal.
    if the eventual candidate is a guy like Huntsman, we already lost. Obama/huntsman - I fail to see any significant difference.

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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I agree with this, but it won't matter if they unite behind someone who is too radical.
    Of course, then the independents would be lost. Whomever wins will need strong support from his/her own party and probably the majority of independent voters.

    I'd love to see a race between Obama and Huntsman, but he's jst not going to win, because too many of the GOP is looking for a Palin-esque candidate. They aren't going to find that in Huntsman, who is a viable, moderate candidate. The proof is in this thread. You see reasonable conservatives arguing for Hunstman, and then you have other, in my opinion less reasonable, conservatives attacking Huntsman, and on this board, people advocating other candidates like Cain, Bachmann, etc.
    At this time, I suspect Huntsman will start out in the middle of the pack aided, in part, by the "freshness" of his candidacy and by Tim Pawlenty's poor debate showing, Rick Santorum's trying to make the campaign a referendum on social values (already widely shared by his rivals), the Gingrich campaign's continuing disintegration, Herman Cain's lack of gravitas, and Ron Paul's still narrow-based appeal. Nevertheless, formidable obstacles lie ahead. Huntsman still has not launched his campaign website (depriving people of a one-stop location to learn about his candidacy). He still needs to translate his experience (domestic/foreign policy) and vision into a substantive policy framework, probably centered around the jobs issue (his speech hinted that jobs would be a core priority). He needs to build a strong fundraising apparatus. In the meantime, he will be faced by a Michelle Bachmann who will be trying to strengthen her support based on her recent debate peformance, possibly using the debt ceiling issue as a stage to galvanize Tea Party conservatives and Mitt Romney who will be trying to consolidate the lead he has recently built. One also cannot rule out additional competition from possible new entrants to the race.

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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    if the eventual candidate is a guy like Huntsman, we already lost. Obama/huntsman - I fail to see any significant difference.
    Executive experience and a track record of success don't count for anything?

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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    if the eventual candidate is a guy like Huntsman, we already lost. Obama/huntsman - I fail to see any significant difference.
    Why exactly do you think a guy whose got a significant track record of success with regards to good tax policy, lowering the percent of government spending compared to GDP, passing extremely business friendly policies, and has extensive executive and foriegn policy experience is going to be show no significant difference to this current President?

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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Why exactly do you think a guy whose got a significant track record of success with regards to good tax policy, lowering the percent of government spending compared to GDP, passing extremely business friendly policies, and has extensive executive and foriegn policy experience is going to be show no significant difference to this current President?

    He supports Obamacare type healthcare, he supports cap and trade and he's actually more aggressive then Obama in wanting to ignore the Pentagon and run from Afghanistan.

    Also, he's going to run a "nice" campaign.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Also, he's going to run a "nice" campaign.
    Wow, sounds terrible

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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    Wow, sounds terrible
    You cannot win an election with kid gloves. It sounds all mushy good at this stage of election, and the romantics in lala land sing praises to anyone claiming this, and they always.... lose.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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