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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No access to youtube here. Mind telling me whats in the video?
    Quotes from Huntsman, getting ready for work so here are the paraphrased highlights:

    We need Cap and Trade

    We need Obamacare (not in those words, but he supports UHC style healthcare)

    "I am not a traditional Republican"
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    I don't consider Bush 2 a true conservative.
    He's like his Dad, a "progressive-lite big government conservative"
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    It's called winning elections. The tea party is really screwing up this whole concept for you guys.
    I would watch whose theories you call ignorant when you then throw this comment out as some kind of reason Huntsman has no chance, considering he's ALSO a tea party wet dream since its not a social movement but a fiscal one, of which he's solidly conservative.

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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    We need Cap and Trade
    A view point he's since came out against due to the state of the economy and the lengths in which Obama and Co want to go on it.

    We need Obamacare (not in those words, but he supports UHC style healthcare)
    Odd considering as governor he prpose the type of Health Care Reform that conservatives generally want...a private sector focused solution where tax breaks and other incentives were used to keep prices low. Yes, he does feel that an individual mandate is an okay thing. A sentiment shared by a the Republican Party at large not too long ago but has been abandoned primarily because of the method in which its implimented in the Obama plan and the ramifications of the political backdoors it's there to allow for.

    "I am not a traditional Republican"
    He's not. He's not a social conservative, which is atypical for a Republican.

    Seriously, you're counter to my entire argument is something he no longer supports, a statement made about health care while ignoring what his actual governing history shows, and the fact he doesn't consider himself a traditional republican?

    Wow, you sure did convince me Mr. V.

    Tell me, who is it you think should get the nod?

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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Why should Conservatives back a guy like Hunstman
    Because he was a solid enough conservative to be viewed as worth while to have on staff under Reagan, GHWB, and GWB with significant positions under the later two.

    Because he was rated as the best Governor on taxes in the entire country. Because he was rated as a top 5 fiscal Governor in the country. Because his state was repeatedly a top 3 state for Business in the country. All during the time when candidate Pawlenty and possible candidate Palin were also governors, both who are individuals people suggest are "true conservatives".

    Because he pushed for reform that sought private sector solutions to health care, because he lowered the amount of spending compared to state GDP during his tenure, because he showed a business growing agenda.

    Because he has extensive experience where Obama didn't. He has Executive Experience at a state and experience in the executive branch at a federal level. He feels a strong need to make North Korea incapable of nuclear weapons. He is a strong supporter of Israel. He has a deep and thurough understanding of China which is rapidly becoming one of our biggest if not biggest foreign policy areas of the next decade.

    But I forgot....he's not going to pass laws about Abortion (oh wait, he can't, that's a court thing) and won't try to push a Constitutional amendment LIMITING the rights of people (how UNconservative of him ) and made a few coments years ago that he has since changed his view on. That obviously invalidates all the rest

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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The GOP will not back a Cap and Trade, UHC supporting candidate.
    Alright Vicc, whose your candidate of choice out of this field then? Whose your pick for the apparently umblemished candidate with no issues?

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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I would watch whose theories you call ignorant when you then throw this comment out as some kind of reason Huntsman has no chance, considering he's ALSO a tea party wet dream
    Do you actually believe this? This leads me to think you have no understanding of the tea party movement.

    Tea party supporters are going to want to rip this guy to shreds.

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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    Do you actually believe this? This leads me to think you have no understanding of the tea party movement.

    Tea party supporters are going to want to rip this guy to shreds.
    Being as you are obviously not a member of the tea party, how would you possibly know? Media reports? Speculation?
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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    Do you actually believe this? This leads me to think you have no understanding of the tea party movement.

    Tea party supporters are going to want to rip this guy to shreds.
    Once again, as I said, I wouldn't be calling peoples views or thoughts or comments ignorant when your own shows similar qualities.

    <--- Long admitted and open Tea Party supporter on this forum that's attended rallys who is advocating for this guy as a President.

    The only reason members of the Tea Party movement have to rip this guy on, other than the two comments Vicc pointed to that ignore other relevant facts concerning his stance...are non-Tea Party issues. Now, because his opponents will try to trumpet those up individuals within the movement may dislike him for his broader stances based on their own broader stances. However, looking at him purely through the concerns and views that the movement...not the individual members...has a stated care for, he's an exceptionally good candidate.

    To put it another way....

    One could say that the Anti-War movement would have a wet dream about Ron Paul in regards to his war policies. However, it would also be realistic to say that individual members of that movement would not vote for him and tear him to shreds if he ran as a Democrat (The typical haven of the Anti-War movement). Not because he wasn't an ideal anti-war candidate, but because various movements like the Tea Party movement and the Anti-War movement rarely encompass an individuals ENTIRE view. IE, you rarely find someone that cares 100% ONLY about Tea Party issues or 100% ONLY about Anti-War issues. Thus, if the sum of a person doesn't match with a sum of the individuals views, they may not support them even if the individual falls 100% in line with the views of hte Primary movement the voter identifes themselves as.

    In regards to TEA PARTY ISSUES Huntsman is a very good candidate. In regards to individual members of the Tea Party movement, he may not be a very good candidate because he may not encompass their other views and their Tea Party focused views may not be enough to outweigh that.

    Huntsman is very much in line with the ideals of the Tea Party movement. That said I wouldn't be surprised if he's nto the most liked of the candidates by INDIVIDUALS within the Tea Party.

    However, I do think compared to Obama he has the fiscal credentials to motivate the Tea Party base.

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    Re: Jon Hunstman Declares His Candidacy (Watch Live)

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    Do you actually believe this? This leads me to think you have no understanding of the tea party movement.

    Tea party supporters are going to want to rip this guy to shreds.
    I'm sure there will be individuals in the movement who will attack Huntsman based on his social views. But many Tea Party members are primarily concerned about the economy, and Jon Huntsman is a hardline fiscal conservative.
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