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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    All I can say is Justice Scalia just set Woman's Sufferage back 90+ years!

    Amazing...absolutely amazing.
    **** Scalia

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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's not, this ruling or others like it that folks like you gnash your teeth over do not take us anywhere near that point. You've been told to hate success, fear prosperity and be jealous of those that do well. That's the real shame.


    If that were in anyway a reality you might have a point, however as all you are doing is regurgitating talking points from class warfare rhetoric you can be dismissed. You should put on a tin foil hat son.
    So what are you claiming, that you're wealthier and more successful than the other poster just because you're a Conservative? I am willing to be you're both most likely in the same social class and life roughly the same lifestyle...

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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    LOL - fine example of what I was referring to.

    There was an entire chapter dedicated to how gender issues can affect - negatively - your potential for doing well in the workforce.

    An example:
    Women tend to highlight and punctuate casual conversation sentences with laughter or giggles more than men. To many managers (etc) that were interviewed on this subject - this was ANNOYING and to the point of being a serious distraction and would actually discredit the employee and encourage one to take that person LESS seriously.



    Is it necessary to punctuate your sentences with a small giggle?
    Why do women do this?
    Are we born with this innate obnoxious habit?

    It is actually learned over the years - and believe it or not - is not sexist to say "knock it off, stop it" - But yet many people feel as if they're being picked on and offended by the mere suggestion to stop laughing spontaneously at innapropriate times.

    IF people took the time to learn more about the workforce preferences that they have to contend with - get to know theirselves and the qualities that they have which might be a problem - then maybe they'd have better success. Many women HAVE done this and HAVE succeed very well.
    I really don't think success is a matter of acting like a man and not a woman, it's a matter of acting professionally. Nothing is inherently wrong with emphasizing sentences with giggles or whatever... if a man does it or a woman. If a man does it, he isn't being girly, nor does it automatically make him a fag. I have chatted with men online, casually, and they refuse to write "lol"... they'll write "funny" instead.

    Instead of asking why women act that way... inborn or not? Maybe we should instead be asking why we think expressing more emotion or fun in conversation is feminine and unacceptable for men?

    And as far as professionalism goes, there are number of typical male behaviors that are inappropriate for a professional setting as well...


    Women are not naturally at a disadvantage and need to be taught or relearn how to act properly and like men to be successful. We were taught and told how to act like ladies so we could succeed at being submissive and finding a good husband to care for us, and now we are being told to act like men to succeed in the workforce.
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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It's ironic that all three female justices are having issues with this gender case and only one male.

    I do *not* feel that wrongdoing on such a wide scope can be proven - period. Such things are on an individual case by case basis or in RE to a small group of females who can argue their individual case.

    But 1.5 million women? Whose to say that 1/2 of them weren't just crappy employees who put in for a promotion and didn't remotely qualify or deserve one? I think it would be MORE unjust to give judgemen against Walmart on behalf of all those females when perhaps only a portion were actually *really* wronged.
    I really see the women and one male as saying the case was worth listening to, hearing the defense, and making a fair judgement... The other judges just said that the Constitution shouldn't concern women and discrimination against them, and brushed the entire thing off.

    Who is to say that all of them weren't crappy employees... that would have been heard in the court. I am honestly not leaning to take the side of the women, I think winning the case was a long shot, These cases don't work out well, unless there is a lot of evidence, not just mere speculation. The judge was out of hand making the statement he did though.

    If he didn't want to hear the damn case, he could have said something more reasonable and, aherm, less sexist

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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I really see the women and one male as saying the case was worth listening to, hearing the defense, and making a fair judgement... The other judges just said that the Constitution shouldn't concern women and discrimination against them, and brushed the entire thing off.

    Who is to say that all of them weren't crappy employees... that would have been heard in the court. I am honestly not leaning to take the side of the women, I think winning the case was a long shot, These cases don't work out well, unless there is a lot of evidence, not just mere speculation. The judge was out of hand making the statement he did though.

    If he didn't want to hear the damn case, he could have said something more reasonable and, aherm, less sexist
    you sure seem to have a dog in this hunt, but why?

    no evidence exists showing discrimination. quotas are not evidence. If they ever become evidence, the concept of justice is dead.

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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I really don't think success is a matter of acting like a man and not a woman, it's a matter of acting professionally. Nothing is inherently wrong with emphasizing sentences with giggles or whatever... if a man does it or a woman. If a man does it, he isn't being girly, nor does it automatically make him a fag. I have chatted with men online, casually, and they refuse to write "lol"... they'll write "funny" instead.
    There are numerous things that one should avoid while at work - and apparently giggling when there's no joke to laugh at is one of them. I can easily see how obnoxious it would be - and if a person does it frequently I wouldn't see myself dying for them to work more in tandem with me.

    Instead of asking why women act that way... inborn or not? Maybe we should instead be asking why we think expressing more emotion or fun in conversation is feminine and unacceptable for men?
    Female bosses, too - not just men.

    And as far as professionalism goes, there are number of typical male behaviors that are inappropriate for a professional setting as well...
    Very true - and likely they can cause problems, prevent promotion, etc - you'll just never hear of men filing a class action lawsuit.

    Women are not naturally at a disadvantage and need to be taught or relearn how to act properly and like men to be successful. We were taught and told how to act like ladies so we could succeed at being submissive and finding a good husband to care for us, and now we are being told to act like men to succeed in the workforce.
    I don't look at the workplace and see 'gentlemen, lady' I see 'good employee, bad employee' . . . I see it through gender-less eyes. Maybe the problem is that many people do look at it from a gender-perspective when they shouldn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I really see the women and one male as saying the case was worth listening to, hearing the defense, and making a fair judgement... The other judges just said that the Constitution shouldn't concern women and discrimination against them, and brushed the entire thing off.

    Who is to say that all of them weren't crappy employees... that would have been heard in the court. I am honestly not leaning to take the side of the women, I think winning the case was a long shot, These cases don't work out well, unless there is a lot of evidence, not just mere speculation. The judge was out of hand making the statement he did though.

    If he didn't want to hear the damn case, he could have said something more reasonable and, aherm, less sexist
    I don't think his statement was out of hand - I think, maybe, it would give precident for them to revisit this case *by breaking it down smaller - maybe state by state* in teh future.

    It is obvious by various opinions that they felt there was something *real* to the case - but the sheer size was a negative.

    How they should have approached it: smaller cases - state by state - NOT the supreme court.
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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    you sure seem to have a dog in this hunt, but why?

    no evidence exists showing discrimination. quotas are not evidence. If they ever become evidence, the concept of justice is dead.
    I am not supposed to judge the evidence, neither are you... that's what the justices on the bench are for. We didn't even hear their arguments and counter arguments... but the justices would have, if they accepted the case. I have a dog in the race, because I am American and that's my supreme court.

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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Supreme Court Wal-Mart: Supreme Court tosses discrimination suit against Wal-Mart - latimes.com

    In a 5-4 vote, justices rule that the lawsuit, which claimed that Wal-Mart discriminated against 1.5 million female workers, did not qualify as a class action.
    Looking into the case, it makes sense, there was nothing that the class could point to as a common cause of the harm they were suing about.

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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am not supposed to judge the evidence, neither are you... that's what the justices on the bench are for. We didn't even hear their arguments and counter arguments... but the justices would have, if they accepted the case. I have a dog in the race, because I am American and that's my supreme court.
    So when the national average of women holding management positions is 16% and WalMart shows their management force at approx 33% of the force...its a fauxrage I tell you!!!

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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    There are numerous things that one should avoid while at work - and apparently giggling when there's no joke to laugh at is one of them. I can easily see how obnoxious it would be - and if a person does it frequently I wouldn't see myself dying for them to work more in tandem with me.



    Female bosses, too - not just men.



    Very true - and likely they can cause problems, prevent promotion, etc - you'll just never hear of men filing a class action lawsuit.



    I don't look at the workplace and see 'gentlemen, lady' I see 'good employee, bad employee' . . . I see it through gender-less eyes. Maybe the problem is that many people do look at it from a gender-perspective when they shouldn't.



    I don't think his statement was out of hand - I think, maybe, it would give precident for them to revisit this case *by breaking it down smaller - maybe state by state* in teh future.

    It is obvious by various opinions that they felt there was something *real* to the case - but the sheer size was a negative.

    How they should have approached it: smaller cases - state by state - NOT the supreme court.
    The most unprofessional person I work with is a male, and it's because he runs his mouth off... all the damn time. He never shuts up, and it's really annoying. He also has a knack for saying really uncomfortable things... Just today asked an Asian how much he knows about Japan, right after he was done asking a black MBA about drug use.... WTF.

    I don't honestly think women have an uphill battle to fight their femininity so they can be "professional" and get job promotions... When women act masculine, they usually take **** too. Hillary Clinton is well know for that, and for being considered "dykey," making lesbian jokes, and some places made it an issue to sell Hillary nutcrackers.

    Femininity isn't negative... nor is it antonymous for "professionalism."

    How many grown women giggle for no reason? I don't work with any... My 10 year old niece doesn't even giggle uncontrollably. Some people do that when they are nervous, some say "umm" or "you know." People have little ticks about them, but when did anybody ever lose their job or get demoted because of giggling?

    People lose their jobs for theft, fraud, being late, not being dependable, not showing up to work, etc... and that goes across gender and racial lines. Why are minorities paid less on average? Because they sag their pants in the workplace?

    The way I see the issue is 1. there is nothing wrong with NOT being gender blind, seeing gender and race is ok, 2. being discriminatory based on race and gender is not ok. I am not afraid to see differences in people... but I don't struggle to not be racist or sexist either.

    I don't expect people to act like ladies or gentlemen either... I really don't think it's possible to go work and ignore people are feminine and people are masculine. If I notice a male is feminine, I usually think he's gay... and that button doesn't switch off when I suddenly clock in. We can't ignore those traits, albeit, they are subjective to some degree. What is less subjective, however, is professionalism and you're basically claiming that women are inherently less professional because of our feminine behavior and I don't buy it. I have worked with gay men who are more feminine than a lot of women I know, and none of them stand out as being excessively unprofessional to me.
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