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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

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    Uggggh...if THIS is the talent pool they BETTER be doing some outside hiring...

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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by toddwv View Post
    Wow... what a disgusting opinion by a right leaning court...

    So the Constitution doesn't prohibit discrimination? Seriously? Wow... the opinion is disturbing on multiple levels and just goes along with the "women as property" meme that seems to be pervading the right-wing these days.

    I noticed that all the women justices cast dissenting opinions.
    If I Scalia had not publicly voiced that opinion, I might be less concerned, but since he has, I have to wonder what it means in the long run. Was he sending a signal of some sort?

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    I've had that conversation with several women in the last couple months. Seems it might be time for that fight again.

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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    It's ironic that all three female justices are having issues with this gender case and only one male.

    I do *not* feel that wrongdoing on such a wide scope can be proven - period. Such things are on an individual case by case basis or in RE to a small group of females who can argue their individual case.

    But 1.5 million women? Whose to say that 1/2 of them weren't just crappy employees who put in for a promotion and didn't remotely qualify or deserve one? I think it would be MORE unjust to give judgemen against Walmart on behalf of all those females when perhaps only a portion were actually *really* wronged.
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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    If I Scalia had not publicly voiced that opinion, I might be less concerned, but since he has, I have to wonder what it means in the long run. Was he sending a signal of some sort?



    I've had that conversation with several women in the last couple months. Seems it might be time for that fight again.
    Of course it was a signal. Almost everything the far right does these days is a signal. And what it signals is the continued right wing attack on political reforms of the 20th century.
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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I thought the claims of this case were weak from the get-go. WalMart's hourly employee staff make-up would and should have nothing to do with their senior management make-up. WalMart offers hourly jobs...unskilled labor, able to be filled by pretty much anyone. Management positions are filled not from hourly employee ranks but from qualified candidates, most likely with a graduate level business management background. Truly an apples/oranges comparison. National averages rank anywhere from 11-16% of women senior management positions. If WalMart is bangin in at 33% they are breaking the trends.

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    Training programs for field associates provide the technical, functional, management and leadership skills needed for success in all operating divisions. For instance, in the Walmart Stores division, their learning university works to develop trainings such as Assistant management training (AMT), focused on the leadership skills that drive future success.
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    70% of their store management started as associates.

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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    To the bolded comment: Not according to Walmart's website:



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    70% of their store management started as associates.
    According to the link you just cited, 56.6% of their employees are women. According the comments by justice Ginsberg, 33% of their management are women. Thats just not that shocking of a disparity. Like I said originally...looks like a weak case from the get-go...
    "In the past four years, Walmart was named among the Top Companies for Executive Women by the National Association for Female Executives (NAFE),
    Best Companies for Multicultural Women by Working Mother Media, and as one of the Top 50 Companies for Latinas by Latina Style magazine."

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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    This is a good thing. As much as have bad mouthed Walmart for doing so much Business with China and for the way they treat Americans vendors this might have caused irreparable.

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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Let's call this ruling what it truly is: protectionism on behalf of Wal-Mart.

    Now, before anyone starts in on me, let me say I happen to agree somewhat with Aunt Spiker but only from the standpoint that it would be very difficult to prove that every female listed in the class action lawsuit were, in fact, discriminated against just because they are female. It's very possible that a great majority of them simply were not qualified for the higher position/pay raise they sought. Therefore, just as in the now famous PG&E case the catipaluted Erin Brockovich to fame, without that one smoking gun that spells out that Wal-Mart purposely under-paid and under-employed their female employees, it would be very difficult to lump every client under the same case. However, I also believe money was the primary reason the ascenting SC justices ruled in Wal-Mart's favor. Imagine what a class action lawsuite would have done to Wal-Mart if the court ruled against them? Is it fair? No; not if the ruling was based on protecting a major U.S. retailor from having to pay out the nose vice making proper ruling based on the evidence presented.

    My hope is that those SC justices who ruled in Wal-Mart's favor did so based on the evidence and not on their personal beliefs of preserving corporate prosperity.
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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    According to the link you just cited, 56.6% of their employees are women. According the comments by justice Ginsberg, 33% of their management are women. Thats just not that shocking of a disparity. Like I said originally...looks like a weak case from the get-go...
    "In the past four years, Walmart was named among the Top Companies for Executive Women by the National Association for Female Executives (NAFE),
    Best Companies for Multicultural Women by Working Mother Media, and as one of the Top 50 Companies for Latinas by Latina Style magazine."
    Justice Ginsberg cited a different stat in her dissent:
    "Women fill 70% of the hourly jobs in the retailer's stores, but make up only 33% of the management employees," she wrote. "The higher one looks in the organization, the lower the percentage of women."
    In citing those statistics, Justice Ginsberg was addressing the class of women bringing the suit. Executives do not appear to be part of the discussion.

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    Re: Supreme Court throws out huge discrimination suit against Wal-Mart

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Justice Ginsberg cited a different stat in her dissent:


    In citing those statistics, Justice Ginsberg was addressing the class of women bringing the suit. Executives do not appear to be part of the discussion.
    THAT is something I am REALLY interested in hearing about.

    For the female sin the higher-end of the Walmart workforce: what is their input into this entire situation? What is their higher/promotion process?

    I would love to hear their views.

    But you know what - no one should ever look to another female and expect there to be some sort of 'gender bond' to help boost them up - women in the workforce usually don't function that way.
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