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    Re: Rachel Maddow's Take on Weiner - Ouch

    At the rate sex and personal conduct scandals on both sides have been going, Congress as a whole won't have much of a reputation left to be damaged anyway.
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    Re: Rachel Maddow's Take on Weiner - Ouch

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    Actually, Clinton committed a crime by lieing under oath. It's called, "perjury", it's illegal and that is why Clinton was impeached.
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    Re: Rachel Maddow's Take on Weiner - Ouch

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, Clinton committed a crime by lieing under oath. It's called, "perjury", it's illegal and that is why Clinton was impeached.
    Technically, yes. But it was really because he lied about sex. That's what Americans seem to care about.

    I'm more worried about somebody selling arms to Iran than who lied about getting a blow job. But sex sells, so there you go.


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    Re: Rachel Maddow's Take on Weiner - Ouch

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Technically, yes. But it was really because he lied about sex. That's what Americans seem to care about.

    I'm more worried about somebody selling arms to Iran than who lied about getting a blow job. But sex sells, so there you go.
    it is true that our society (political affiliation unconcerned) seems to put a lot of personal 'meaning' into sexuality.

    Who you sleep with, how many, what you did - all this stuff is always forced to relate with how trustworthy, ethical, honest or responsible you are.
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    Re: Rachel Maddow's Take on Weiner - Ouch

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    it is true that our society (political affiliation unconcerned) seems to put a lot of personal 'meaning' into sexuality.

    Who you sleep with, how many, what you did - all this stuff is always forced to relate with how trustworthy, ethical, honest or responsible you are.
    The fellas all appreciate a good blow job. Get 'em when you can.

    But am thinking that the POTUS sitting in Oval Office getting serviced on regular occasion by an intern staffer crosses a line from "personal sexuality" or "who you sleep with".

    Overall thought Clinton was a good president. But the way in which his supporters so readily dismissed/discounted his personal behavior was a little disappointing....


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    Re: Rachel Maddow's Take on Weiner - Ouch

    I don't think it's what Weiner actually did... as revolting as some of those cybersex details were... but rather the fact that for weeks he lied about it, blamed some anonymous hacker, alternately ran away from the press then scheduled one-on-one interviews with a dozen or more, all the time looking them square in the eye and lying through his teeth that did him in.

    Kinda like Clinton. Yeah, oval office blow jobs are bad, but ultimately lying under oath is what did him in.

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